$5 NLHE Full Ring: 3bet pot 2345 3 diamonds turn with QhQs

Villain is TAG, plays 8 tables
Villain opens UTG, CO calls, I 3bet from BB with QQ, villain calls, CO folds.

No 4bet so I guess aces or kings are out, leaves AK,AQ?,QQ,JJ maybe even lower pairs since he might think I 3bet just to squeeze.

Flop is 234 two diamonds, so flush draw for any diamond and gutshot for any ace. Am I right to still cbet this flop?

Turn is 5 of diamonds and any draw just came in. Can you ever bet or call this turn ? I'm thinking no, he bets and I fold.

Even if you didn't have the ace or diamond as the villain would you bet this and rep the ace or diamond ? Seems like the perfect spot for it.


poker stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

UTG+1: $5.72
UTG+2: $5.00
MP1: $9.18
MP2: $7.13
CO: $4.05
BTN: $5.00
SB: $5.44
Hero (BB): $7.09
UTG: $6.66

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with Q :heart: Q :spade:
UTG raises to $0.17, 4 folds, CO calls $0.17, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, UTG calls $0.53, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.59) 3 :diamond: 4 :diamond: 2 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.76, UTG calls $0.76

Turn: ($3.11) 5 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.95, Hero folds

Flop, yes c-bet... turn I think a c/f here at these stakes is fine. I don't think opponents at this level are turning worse made hands into a bluff here often enough to justify a call, or bet the turn.

Easy fold on the turn

Ok thanks.

I should keep playing it straight at this level, I keep second guessing sometimes in obvious spots like this.

I agree with all the above, with a board so wet we are better with 1 and done

John A said:

Flop, yes c-bet... turn I think a c/f here at these stakes is fine. I don't think opponents at this level are turning worse made hands into a bluff here often enough to justify a call, or bet the turn.

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I totally agree with John A that your c-bet is fine here. One thing I wanted to add here is that you don't have the Q♦ and having no blockers here makes your hand more vulnerable to multiple barrels especially on a wet board (can't get much more wet than the flop).

The turn card is the absolute worst card in the deck because Ax gets there (which is definitely in villain's range) and flush draws get there too. The villain here (potentially) misplayed their hand on the turn by betting so large. I say potentially because if you have an Ace, you are not likely folding here and a chop is very possible.

OR.....They may have turned a flush (there's enough flushes in their range here where making that play is profitable for them and are trying to get you to commit to a straight).

Remember, they don't know for sure what you're holding, but your 3-betting range DEFINITELY has AK, AQ and big pairs in it. In thinking about it more, if they're putting you on that range, their range is more likely to be suited diamonds here. Given that they are 8-tabling and are a TAG as you indicated, there's less likely to be bluffs in their range.

I'm interested in knowing what John A thinks about this. I'm inclined to feel fairly confident that villain here has a very narrow range.

John A said:

Flop, yes c-bet... turn I think a c/f here at these stakes is fine. I don't think opponents at this level are turning worse made hands into a bluff here often enough to justify a call, or bet the turn.

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So given opponent never bluff a check shove is bad.... cuz villains range is a mix of mainly pocket pairs and perhaps only ones with a diamond will contunue... or AK with diamond. its hard these days to put tags on Ax utg most only continue with pp after flop or they check raise with nuttish draws.

This is why i think shoving turn is best... and i like checking the turn to give opponents who have no clue what to do here a chance to make a mistake...

its not a very common board and this is a good spot to make money by making opponents do errors.

Aces2w1n said:

So given opponent never bluff a check shove is bad.... cuz villains range is a mix of mainly pocket pairs and perhaps only ones with a diamond will contunue... or AK with diamond. its hard these days to put tags on Ax utg most only continue with pp after flop or they check raise with nuttish draws.

This is why i think shoving turn is best... and i like checking the turn to give opponents who have no clue what to do here a chance to make a mistake...

its not a very common board and this is a good spot to make money by making opponents do errors.

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So, just so I am reading what you're saying correctly you're NOT putting TAG players on Ax UTG who call 3 bets by the blinds?

You're right, it's not a board that one would see often so it certainly opens up the potential for mistakes to be made by both hero and villain here. But given the flat on the flop and the lead on the turn, there are some overpairs in villain's range here. Are you putting enough Ax's in their range here though?

What if this was a 1 tabler? Would that influence your thinking here?

I'm curious. I need to be convinced that putting your money in here is a profitable play.

So villain can have 66-AA a lot we beat
Ax is less likely these days with tags they generally wont see past the flop unless they have a diamond

if they are bad enough to have some junky hands which got there we can now also add more hands we beat as well.

need equity calculator and flopzilla to crunch some numbers and work out how many folds we need and go from there