$5 NLHE Full Ring: 3 bet pot vs half stacker. Hit set Aces monotone board.

$5 NL HE Full Ring: 3 bet pot vs half stacker. Hit set Aces monotone board.

I 3 bet pre flop with AA. Get called by a half stacker.
Hit a set a Aces on a very co-ordinated monotone board.
Ad2d3d. Pot is $1.45 he has $1.89 left.
Is this a Standard shove???
If he was full Stacked would the situation be different?


full tilt poker Game : Table Flash - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em -
Seat 1: checkfoldpls ($1.84)
Seat 2: jigglypuff64 ($2.59)
Seat 3: Arcannys ($4.23)
Seat 4: Test81 ($4.95)
Seat 5: shzwd ($5.07)
Seat 6: FOLDORBUSTEM ($4.95)
Seat 7: kavin84 ($4.99)
Seat 8: omich-kun ($2.20)
Seat 9: Piorus ($3.24)
FOLDORBUSTEM posts the small blind of $0.02
kavin84 posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FOLDORBUSTEM [As Ac]
omich-kun folds
Piorus folds
checkfoldpls folds
jigglypuff64 raises to $0.20
Arcannys folds
Test81 folds
shzwd folds
FOLDORBUSTEM raises to $0.70
kavin84 folds
jigglypuff64 calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [3d 2d Ad]
FOLDORBUSTEM has 15 seconds left to act

Yes, shove. Even if we get fancy and attempt to induce bluffs by checking and end up seeing a diamond turn, I'm still stacking.

We can also never fold because of the SPR and our outs so it's a question of extracting maximum value.

If he had a full stack, I'd bet 1/2 pot on the flop and shove the turn.

thepokerkid123 said:

Yes, shove. Even if we get fancy and attempt to induce bluffs by checking and end up seeing a diamond turn, I'm still stacking.

We can also never fold because of the SPR and our outs so it's a question of extracting maximum value.

If he had a full stack, I'd bet 1/2 pot on the flop and shove the turn.

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bet bigger on the flop

dont shove the flop but def shove the turn

Bet close to pot, you just fold out too much by shoving the flop, the pot is still quite small.

Shove the turn if the flop is called because he is very likely on a draw and the pot is now bigger

Also expect a lot of folds.

He either has the draw here or he has nothing and very occasionally he has a set or already has a flush.

However the presence of the Ad means with 3 aces accounted for he is unlikely to hold TPGK but also a lot of his diamond draws are removed because AXs accounts for a lot of his diamond draw range.

If he is a tight cold caller then his range should be suited BW and PP which means if he calls you might have to consider a fold on the turn, but its unlikely that his CC range is this tight at 5NL, at 5NL we can put a lot of unsuited BW cards in his CC range which means he is very likely to be holding a FD rather than a flush.

Not really concerned how we get stacks in as long as we never fold this.

I like shoving purely because if he's coming along cheaper, he's almost certainly coming along anyway and our equity is better on the flop vs flushes.

I agree A's almost never show up, but I think pp's call a lot.

thepokerkid123 said:

Not really concerned how we get stacks in as long as we never fold this.

I like shoving purely because if he's coming along cheaper, he's almost certainly coming along anyway and our equity is better on the flop vs flushes.

I agree A's almost never show up, but I think pp's call a lot.

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All you do is give him a better price to peel the flop and an easier decision to fold the turn.

Its not correct dont do it.

If we bet bigger on the flop he still calls with his flush draws.

When we shove the turn, if he folds we made more money than the smaller bet on the turn. If he calls the larger bet on the flop he faces a tougher decision when we shove the turn because of the money he has invested.

i shove on the turn, check the flop, if he checks i shove the turn, if he bets flop i go all in unless he already went all in.

WTF are you guys talking about? The pot is $1.45 on the flop and he has $1.89 left. Shove, he's not folding anything. Betting pot and expecting him to call, but thinking he'll fold to a shove is just, well, dumb. BTW even if we don't flop the set, shoving the flop is standard.

I am missing something here???

You have to shove here.. He probably has the flush draw or possibly a made flush or straight. Either way, he isn't folding and neither are you. Just get it in while you are most likely in the lead and hope he misses his draw.