$5 NLHE Full Ring: 2 pair vs flush villain

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Hi everyone I am new to this forum and would like to get some feedback on a hand that I recently played against a tight player. I would like to thank everyone in advance for their feedback.

P2(UTG) $3.61 - VP:17 PFR:5 AF:Inf. W:27|67 STL:0|100 3B:0|100 CB:100|100 N:-1.39 hands:60

P4(MP) $4.92 - VP:54 PFR:8 AF:1.0 W:38|67 STL:33| 3B:0| CB:0|100 N:-0.08 Hands:13

P6(CO) $5.26 - VP:17 PFR:6 AF:0.4 W:24|50 STL:0|100 3B:0| CB:0|50 N:0.36 Hands:64
P7(BTN) $1.46 - VP:42 PFR:0 AF:0.9 W:45|54 STL:0|33 3B:0|100 CB:|29 N:-3.54 Hands:65
Me(SB) $9.63 - VP:28 PFR:18 AF:4.0 W:25|71 STL:50| 3B:0|33 CB:100|67 N:4.58 Hands:119
P9(BB) $2.08 - VP:47 PFR:8 AF:2.2 W:21|25 STL:50| 3B:11| CB:100|100 N:-0.14 Hands:36


Pre Flop: Me(SB) with [9c,5c]
P2(UTG) folds, P4(MP) folds, P6(CO) calls 0.05, P7(BTN) folds, Me(SB) calls 0.03, P9(BB) checks


Flop: (5d,Qd,9d) (3 players)
Me(SB) checks, P9(BB) checks, P6(LP) bets 0.15, Me(SB) folds, P9(BB) folds


Turn: (,)



Final:
Returns 0.15 to P6(CO)
P6(CO) wins 0.15
 
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Bet flop. 2 pair is ahead of flushdraws.
 
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Well the issue that I had was the fact that he was a very tight player so he could have already made a flush and betting for value hit a set or something of that sort.
P.S. There were three diamonds on the board
 
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Fold pre. You're rarely going to flop decently and implied odds are worse in limped pots. Calling with 97s would be about borderline here imo.

As played, lead out.
Yes of course someone may have flopped a flush. Far more likely is that they hold a single diamond and are prepared to pay to see another card.
Sets can be present on every flop you see. So neither are a consideration when you're first to act.
 
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Fold pre. You're rarely going to flop decently and implied odds are worse in limped pots. Calling with 97s would be about borderline here imo.

As played, lead out.
Yes of course someone may have flopped a flush. Far more likely is that they hold a single diamond and are prepared to pay to see another card.
Sets can be present on every flop you see. So neither are a consideration when you're first to act.

Thanks
 
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Well the issue that I had was the fact that he was a very tight player so he could have already made a flush and betting for value hit a set or something of that sort.
It's significantly more likely, statistically, for even a tight player to have a flush draw than a made flush here. Any two hole cards (e.g. AK) are three times as likely to miss as they are to hit a flush board; and fifteen times as likely to miss if they're offsuit.

That said, yeah fold pre. I'd feel semi-comfortable limping (though it's very borderline -- if I was gonna limp a marginal hand from the SB I'd prefer like J7s or whatever), but unless you're a really good postflop player, seeing flops out of position with no initiative and a really weak speculative hand is very unprofitable, no matter what your odds are. Basically, if you can't raise a hand preflop, fold it. And if you're going to fold two pair (one of the very few boards you're happy to see with that hand) just because the board scared you, then don't even consider playing that hand from any position. I'm serious.

Basically, until you develop enough of an understanding to play marginal/difficult situation with weak hands, don't ever play non-premium hands. You really don't have any reason to, in a full-ring game.
 
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It's significantly more likely, statistically, for even a tight player to have a flush draw than a made flush here. Any two hole cards (e.g. AK) are three times as likely to miss as they are to hit a flush board; and fifteen times as likely to miss if they're offsuit.

That said, yeah fold pre. I'd feel semi-comfortable limping (though it's very borderline -- if I was gonna limp a marginal hand from the SB I'd prefer like J7s or whatever), but unless you're a really good postflop player, seeing flops out of position with no initiative and a really weak speculative hand is very unprofitable, no matter what your odds are. Basically, if you can't raise a hand preflop, fold it. And if you're going to fold two pair (one of the very few boards you're happy to see with that hand) just because the board scared you, then don't even consider playing that hand from any position. I'm serious.

Basically, until you develop enough of an understanding to play marginal/difficult situation with weak hands, don't ever play non-premium hands. You really don't have any reason to, in a full-ring game.

Thanks buddy! I usually stick to a TAG style but I just found myself in this situation and your reasoning actually matches mine regarding my post flop play. Thanks again for the insight :)
 
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Why are you calling pre-flop, hitting near your dream flop and folding? Bet the flop or CR. I'd do some work on ranges so that you understand better what are likely hands that someone will be betting here.
 
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I really had to squint at that first post just to make absolutely certain I was reading it properly. Calls pre with 95, flops 2 pair, and check/folds?
 
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At the very least call and hope to cooler someone with your full house (BTW you are likely ahead at the moment anyway).
 
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