$5 NLHE Full Ring: 10 10 vs against loose player with possible flush draw

10 10 against a loose player who is 42/10 over about 40 hands

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $0.23
CO: $5.05
BTN: $1.28
Hero (SB): $5.34
BB: $3.56
UTG: $7.15
UTG+1: $4.40

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has T♠ T♣

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, fold

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 2♠ 8♣ 9♣
Hero bets $0.32, BB calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.09, 2 players) Q:heart:

What do I do now?

bet/fold 75 cents

reads on BB?
with no reads i bet pot , re eveluate on river , fold to reraise, looks to me like a draw and i dont think the Q helps him coz we got 10 10 , most probably flush draw so charge him good , maybe A8, A9

Didn't really have any reads he was sat next to a much looser player and I had been watching him more.

I bet a little bigger on the flop. Villain is a fish, flop is drawy.

The queen aint a great card, mostly because of the straight and not the queens although with a player this loose we will see AQ/QT from time to time. We've still got 67/XcXc and 9x to value town.

hmm it's close, my first thought was to bet/fold half pot. On it's own it's likely marginally EV+/breakeven but the river aint going to be nice. We're not in a position to check/call and the busted draws may bet. Draw are a large portion of villains calling range we beat having them bluff us on the river is disastrous.

I'm going to go with firing out two tiny blocking bets. They're EV+ as villains range will widen so our hand solidly beats his and fishies don't tend to raise their draws. (Assuming the draws brick).

Blocking bet > C/F > bet/fold.
Pretty close whatever you pick.

I chose to bet here and things only got worse.


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $0.23
CO: $5.05
BTN: $1.28
Hero (SB): $5.34
BB: $3.56
UTG: $7.15
UTG+1: $4.40

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has T:spade: T:club:

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, fold

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 2:spade: 8:club: 9:club:
Hero bets $0.32, BB calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.09, 2 players) Q:heart:
Hero bets $0.62, BB calls $0.62

River: ($2.33, 2 players) K:spade:

Check/call river if you want

It seemed to me at the time I played the hand badly, but so far the general feel is that I didn't. Maybe I could have raised more pre flop, but then you don't want to chase everyone off. Maybe I should have bet more after the turn but I get the impression he wouldn't have folded.

neil1603 said:

Maybe I should have bet more after the turn but I get the impression he wouldn't have folded.

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If we're betting the turn it is for value.

Pretty easy to consider the turn bet a value bet as there are lots of pp's/fd's etc than we can extract value from. As played on the river I would go in the following order:

b/f>>c/c>>c/f>>b/c

neil1603 said:

It seemed to me at the time I played the hand badly, but so far the general feel is that I didn't. Maybe I could have raised more pre flop, but then you don't want to chase everyone off. Maybe I should have bet more after the turn but I get the impression he wouldn't have folded.

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The entire point of the turn bet is to extract as much as we can for value. Just because an overcard comes doesn't mean he hit it. It does get worse on the river with the King but I would still stick to the gameplan as there are a number of draws that missed.

turn is an easy vbet.

on the river though im not afraid of him improving that much. Im more concerned about what will call a bet. The whole point of valuebetting is to get worse hands to call.

On this river its more of a scare card for him than us. Im confident that this player can make bad calls though but because of the board run out i think he is less likely.

I would lean towards a small river bet. I want to get 9x, 8x and whatever worse to call me. I think around 1/3 pot roughly will do the trick. If we bet 2/3 i think we iso his calling range to hands that beat us much more often.

I think xc is a bad option unless we know this guy can bluff the river. We dont have enough hands to get that info yet so i would take the less 'fancier' play and just bet fold.

More on the flop and now bet again.

BlackRain79 said:

More on the flop and now bet again.

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Yes this is where it all went wrong, I lost my nerve at this point and checked then compounded the error and called his small bet.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $0.23
CO: $5.05
BTN: $1.28
Hero (SB): $5.34
BB: $3.56
UTG: $7.15
UTG+1: $4.40

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has T:spade: T:club:

UTG calls $0.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, fold

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 2:spade: 8:club: 9:club:
Hero bets $0.32, BB calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.09, 2 players) Q:heart:
Hero bets $0.62, BB calls $0.62

River: ($2.33, 2 players) K:spade:
Hero checks, BB bets $0.35, Hero calls $0.35

BB shows Q:club: 5:club: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 31%, Flop 42%, Turn 89%)
Hero mucks T:spade: T:club: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 69%, Flop 58%, Turn 11%)
BB wins $2.90

I'm not sure whether betting and how big that bet would have needed to be to get him off the Q, I have a feeling I wouldn't have pushed him off, so from that point of view I probably minimised the loss.

I see a problem developing with my game on this type of hand, I need to either let it go earlier or size my bets better to take the hand down I think.

He's not folding the Q

You didn't play it bad, you probably lost the minimum. Not much you can do here, although I prefer bet/folding to check/calling you didn't do anything wrong except maybe a little on the sizing.

I think check/folding the river is ok because villian is probably a fish and won't bet air often enough to make it profitable. Once he bets 35c though i'm calling just to see what he called in BB with.