$5 NLHE 6-max: What to do on the turn?

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $5.22 (VPIP: 39.29, PFR: 35.71, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, hands: 29)
BTN: $5.45 (VPIP: 40.23, PFR: 24.14, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 89)
Hero (SB): $5.00
BB: $5.07 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG: $4.82 (VPIP: 23.21, PFR: 8.93, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 58)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A:heart: J:club:

fold, CO raises to $0.15, fold, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.40, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35, 3 players) 5:club: J:spade: 8:spade:
Hero bets $0.77, BB calls $0.77, fold

Turn: ($2.89, 2 players) 9:diamond:
Hero ??

Ok, I don't have much info about the villain, what would do on the turn? (or previous streets if you don't like my play). Also, what range do you assign to the villain?
 
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I like the way you played this hand, I also consider flatting some hands of this strength against wide late position openers as you will have lots of their ace x hands dominated. It depends how aggressive they are as to whether to 3bet and I think this guy looks aggro enough that you want to take the initiative away from him with a hand like AJ.
The BB entering the hand changes everything though and you have to range him with a hand that is probably better than AJ here.
However, we flop top pair top kicker so you want to go ahead and lead out and bet at the pot and win it there and then. Sizing should be large 3/4 to full pot, especially on this flop texture with its straight and flush possibilities.
If we are raised, folding is player dependent (is he raising on the flop a lot) and if you are called, then we play on the turn so as not to over commit your hand.

It seems you are unsure whether or not to bet the turn? In that case you want to put the BB on a range as best as you can.
I'd put him on mid pairs 55 through to JJ and some AK AQ here. It's difficult to put him on middling suited connecting cards when he flats a 3bet in this raised pot.
I think therefore it is correct to go ahead and bet the turn again here. Sizing should be no bigger than half pot $1.30-1.40, we need to control the pot sizing here and be prepared to fold to a turn raise if he hit a set.
Betting the turn will charge any of his high spade drawing hands and non believing mid pairs like TT which now also picked up an OESD, 66 and 77 picked up gutters and we should fold out his AK AQ which might have had backdoor flush draws and will now fold, we do not want to give a free shot to those hands or AK AQ to outdraw us.
 
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we lead the turn because we dont want to give a free card on this board and still could bet for value.

River will be the tricky card.
 
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Check the turn. Slow played JJ+ is a big part of villain's range. I'd probably be looking to check/fold the turn. Betting almost all rivers if checked through.

There's very few draws in your opponent's range, and top pair with 3 potential overpairs isn't that strong.

You 3-bet and then cbet into two players, showing a ton of strength. Your opponent has something.
 
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hes go tt or qq smells like. would u suggest if bb folded pre and co called it was more drawy?
 
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hes go tt or qq smells like. would u suggest if bb folded pre and co called it was more drawy?
Yeah, if the BB had folded, and this hand was against the CO, the hand changes completely.
 
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I like the way you played this hand, I also consider flatting some hands of this strength against wide late position openers as you will have lots of their ace x hands dominated. It depends how aggressive they are as to whether to 3bet and I think this guy looks aggro enough that you want to take the initiative away from him with a hand like AJ.
The BB entering the hand changes everything though and you have to range him with a hand that is probably better than AJ here.
However, we flop top pair top kicker so you want to go ahead and lead out and bet at the pot and win it there and then. Sizing should be large 3/4 to full pot, especially on this flop texture with its straight and flush possibilities.
If we are raised, folding is player dependent (is he raising on the flop a lot) and if you are called, then we play on the turn so as not to over commit your hand.

It seems you are unsure whether or not to bet the turn? In that case you want to put the BB on a range as best as you can.
I'd put him on mid pairs 55 through to JJ and some AK AQ here. It's difficult to put him on middling suited connecting cards when he flats a 3bet in this raised pot.
I think therefore it is correct to go ahead and bet the turn again here. Sizing should be no bigger than half pot $1.30-1.40, we need to control the pot sizing here and be prepared to fold to a turn raise if he hit a set.
Betting the turn will charge any of his high spade drawing hands and non believing mid pairs like TT which now also picked up an OESD, 66 and 77 picked up gutters and we should fold out his AK AQ which might have had backdoor flush draws and will now fold, we do not want to give a free shot to those hands or AK AQ to outdraw us.


Thanks for the detailed thoughts! I got lost when he called both preflop and flop, but I agree with your line now, I should bet no so big and be prepared to fold to a shove.
 
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Check the turn. Slow played JJ+ is a big part of villain's range. I'd probably be looking to check/fold the turn. Betting almost all rivers if checked through.

There's very few draws in your opponent's range, and top pair with 3 potential overpairs isn't that strong.

You 3-bet and then cbet into two players, showing a ton of strength. Your opponent has something.

hes go tt or qq smells like. would u suggest if bb folded pre and co called it was more drawy?

Lol, While playing I was thinking only TT and big suited connectors would play like that. Didn't see any JJ+ doing what he did preflop and on the flop.

I shoved on the turn, he had 99 :(
 
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yeah see i cant rule out kk even cuz theres a decent rnough of people who slow play it nowadays and flat
 
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I think hero played fine preflop. BB cold calling is unexpected and probably better than AJ so prepare to play cautiously post-flop OOP multiway and possibly dominated.

Flop is fantastic for your hand, putting you ahead of better aces. You still need to be wary of overpairs and sets, but betting the flop for value is fine. Again being flatted by the BB is very strange.

I would check/fold turn. There are a lot of bad river cards for your hand, and I think a set of 8s, 9s, Js, or a slowplayed overpair is very possible given the action to this point. Betting into a set here is worse than giving a free card to a hand like TT.

If the turn goes check/check and the river is a blank, bet for value. If BB checked back an overpair/set on the turn and calls you on the river, make a note that BB is tight-passive and likes to slowplay and adjust accordingly in future hands. If he shows down any pair other than TT make a note that BB is loose-passive. If you get raised, fold it.
 
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