$5 NLHE 6-max: What do I do?

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$5 NL HE 6-max: What do I do?

This is about the 7th hand for all three of us at the table. I am the Cut-Off and took down a hand while SB sat down, but have folded preflop every hand, mostly due to either one of the players in the hand below raising pre-flop.

I know they like to raise preflop, c-bet, limp, and bet. Ha! They've won 7/8 hands between them up to this point. Whether it be c-bet, calling each others pre-raise and betting with a decent hand on flop or turn, or just taking it down when checked to. SB called down with mid pair a few hands prior and seems like the average micro player who bets hard with a hand, a draw, and might not know when to give up until it's too late. He hasn't re-raised to this point and I have to believe I feel I have no way of knowing what he actually has other than the fact that he might have caught with worse crap than my eh, ace two suited.

MP didn't min bet on his draw or ever previously so I obviously re-raise MP because I feel he has absolutely nothing. Correct.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed)

MYSELF (CO) ($4.05)
Button ($5.28)
SB ($4.64)
BB ($3.08)
UTG ($5.52)
MP ($5.62)

Preflop: MYSELF is CO with 2
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, A
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1 fold, MP calls $0.05, MYSELF calls $0.05, 1 fold, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.20) 9
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, 6
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, 9
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(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.05, MYSELF calls $0.05, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.35) 5
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(3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $0.05, MYSELF raises to $0.15, SB raises to $0.35, 1 fold, MYSELF calls $0.20

River: ($1.10) 2
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(2 players)
SB bets $1.05

MYSELF DOES WHAT?


Looking back I would have liked to re-raise to .20 instead of the .15.
Did I play the turn horribly, and what should I do on the river?
 
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As played, call the river. From your description of SB, he could have anything from a full house, a straight, a worse flush, or trips - you're going to lose to 8h7h and a full house, but you'll win against everything else.

From the description of both MP and SB, I'd prefer raising pf to try to isolate MP and to take the initiative.

On the flop, MP's minbet is kind of silly, I frequently raise those just out of irritation w a strong draw, assuming I'm willing to call a re-raise - w your description of MP, I'm willing. If SB re-raises a flop raise, I'm going to be more cautious.

On the turn as played, don't raise to $0.20, raise to $0.40 - $0.50, increase the pressure. If SB raises that to say $0.90, though, we have to decide whether we want to stack off - w your description of SB, I would.
 
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Didn't like that min re-raise on the turn.. you should raise more...like $60... if he re-raises I would go allin. =)
but I would call the river... you just lose for a full house.. he could be but I don't think so.. did you called?
 
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Just jam it in on the river. You beat basically everything. The only hand you have to worry about is 66. Everything else you're crushing.
 
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From the description of both MP and SB, I'd prefer raising pf to try to isolate MP and to take the initiative.
I'm not so sure I can or will isolate either of them. Sure I hit the flush but isolating with A6?

Ok, so isolated one of them. Do I auto c-bet here 2/3's, pot, maybe less to control betting against weak/loose aggressive, especially with the flush draw and pair on board? Seems practical.

Didn't like that min re-raise on the turn..
It wasn't exactly a min-raise. I'm not so sure I like over-betting the pot by .15 on the turn. I either have the best hand and the over-bet could take down the pot when the river is most likely not going to do anything for them other than give them a weaker flush, maybe a straight. They'll push into me and I'll find out if they have it boat or not. Do I want to bet pot and get them to commit based on the fact they think I'm playing so few hands and could be bluffing or can just push on the river to get me off a decent hand?

Just jam it in on the river. You beat basically everything. The only hand you have to worry about is 66. Everything else you're crushing.
Well, 66, 55, 22, maybe a combo of 96. They're very, very less likely but good point. :)


Oh, Yeah. Of course I called on the river.
 
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I'm not so sure I can or will isolate either of them. Sure I hit the flush but isolating with A6?

A2s is a great hand to isolate with imo (better than A6s, cuz of the wheel draw) - if you miss the board completely, or (worse) flop either an A or a 2 but not both, cbet and let it go to any aggression. This flop, though, is a dream flop for your hand - the only hands we're afraid of firing two barrels against are some random 9 or 66, we're not that much of a dog to any other pair.

Since I like to iso w A2s, you can tell that I depend on the fact that alot of micro players like the guys you describe here call 3bets oop w junk, and that I depend on the fact that most flops miss every hand. In other words, since we have position (assuming we in fact did isolate), he's rarely going to hit the flop, so he won't be able to hang around through the turn (my image is fairly tight, which works in my favor cuz even loose players recognize I'm not playing many hands).


Ok, so isolated one of them. Do I auto c-bet here 2/3's, pot, maybe less to control betting against weak/loose aggressive, especially with the flush draw and pair on board? Seems practical.

I like it.

It wasn't exactly a min-raise. I'm not so sure I like over-betting the pot by .15 on the turn.

It's not a min-raise, but pretty close. Pot is $0.40 when it gets to you on the turn. Raising to $0.40 isn't outrageous - the only reason it looks outrageous is cuz of MP's minbet.

I either have the best hand and the over-bet could take down the pot when the river is most likely not going to do anything for them other than give them a weaker flush, maybe a straight. They'll push into me and I'll find out if they have it boat or not. Do I want to bet pot and get them to commit based on the fact they think I'm playing so few hands and could be bluffing or can just push on the river to get me off a decent hand?

Well, 66, 55, 22, maybe a combo of 96. They're very, very less likely but good point. :)


Oh, Yeah. Of course I called on the river.

I assume he had a boat?

Unfortunate, but I'm not letting go of the nut flush against this guy, I think the call is correct.

Not keen on jamming, the river bet says he's got a boat - he won't call w a worse hand than ours (even a second pair calling type player isn't usually THAT dumb - do we think he'll call w A9?), but will call w any hand that beats us.
 
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I am going to post hands I played poorly, I thought I had played well, etc, for confirmation and alternative views from some bright minds. It doesn't necessarily mean I lost the hand because I posted it. ;) Thanks for your comments everyone. :)
 
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I think your turn raise was the real killer in your play. Had you raised more and then got re-raised still, you might have given it up before the difficult decision on the river and sensed the trapping git was playing you.
 
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Not keen on jamming, the river bet says he's got a boat - he won't call w a worse hand than ours (even a second pair calling type player isn't usually THAT dumb - do we think he'll call w A9?), but will call w any hand that beats us.

I don't think players at this level are ever folding a 9, and they're not getting off smaller flushes either. There's way more of those holdings than boats, so I think we've got an edge on villain's range here.
 
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This is an easy raise PF. Hell, do it to buy the button if nothing else. In position, HU, this hand has considerably more equity than it does against 4 players.

As played, I like the call on the flop. No reason to isolate here and we want the overcalls. Turn is also fine (edit - just noticed, and yes, a larger raise wouldn't hurt. Yours is not terrible though). Call the river. Curse if beat, and play it exactly the same way next time (at this level).
 
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You played every street fine imo. Maybe raise the turn which you suggested also. As played I reaaaaly want to raise the river but I believe it is just a call also
 
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Raise preflop
Raise the flop
Raise more on the turn
Shove river

Preflop we want to punish the limpers and rob us some blinds.

As played we want to raise the flop to build this pot up so when we hit getting the money in is easy, plus its very unlikely your opponent has hit at this point so were teeming with fold equity. This is especially the case when we face a stupid min bet and when the stack to pot ratios are huge.

The turn your raise is tiny and this i further confounded by his bet being tiny also. Big hand Big pot!

On the river I shove. A 5NL fish will play any 9 this way and pay us off here. If he has a FH so be it we've been coolered.
 
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