$5 NLHE 6-max: TT vs A high board, should I have called on the flop?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 26/20/2

poker stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2372794
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BB: $5.07
UTG: $6.52
Hero (MP): $10.06
CO: $3.85
BTN: $2.00
SB: $3.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with T :diamond: T :heart:
UTG raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.65) 4 :club: 7 :club: A :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.40, Hero folds, SB raises to $0.80, UTG folds

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See hand above. Villain plays 26/20/2.0 (only 23 hands). I would like to know what other think of this as I almost always are in doubt in this type of situation. I have TT on a A high flop. When the bet feels too high, I feel like he does have an Ace, so I folded. But I realize he could have been bluffing with a cbet.

Was this the right play? What would you have done?

Thx :)
 
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Definitely comfortable 3 betting for value preflop against that wide an opening range. Once SB gets in we can probably comfortably fold as we're likely behind one or the other, and both can put us in tough spots.
 
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Nh... Don't 3-bet pre-flop. I assume you mean should you call the first bet on the flop. In a sandwiched position, I don't mind a fold. I don't think a call is super -EV either, it's probably just slightly less EV than fold, but we could determine more if we knew some info on SB or had more hands on UTG.
 
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Nh... Don't 3-bet pre-flop. I assume you mean should you call the first bet on the flop. In a sandwiched position, I don't mind a fold. I don't think a call is super -EV either, it's probably just slightly less EV than fold, but we could determine more if we knew some info on SB or had more hands on UTG.

Why aren't we 3 betting John?
 
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Why aren't we 3 betting John?


I would assume because the initial raiser is UTG and we are only going to get called by better alot of the time or we might get 4 bet and now know how to react.

Flatting is best because we are looking to setmine or see a cheap flop ,esp with others left to act.
 
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I dunno... I like the PF 3bet to get rid of the SB.

Never the less, John is the man, so I'm curious as well.

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Cause if we 3bet, we are turning our hand into a bluff versus an UTG raiser,right?
 
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I would assume because the initial raiser is UTG and we are only going to get called by better alot of the time or we might get 4 bet and now know how to react.

Flatting is best because we are looking to setmine or see a cheap flop ,esp with others left to act.

But I think we get called by worse.... So idk... I think my personal preference is 3bet pre and fold to 4 bet, he flats the three bet like a lot of the time, plus we have position post flop and he checks the flop to us with a lot of different board textures and then we standard c bet and since our line shows a lot of strength he folds a bunch of the time. Wrong?
 
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I dunno... I like the PF 3bet to get rid of the SB.

Never the less, John is the man, so I'm curious as well.

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Yeah, but you don't know if SB or anyone is calling.

It's not that 3-betting is horrible here, but calling is higher EV because you can play for set and pair value post flop with position. You only have 23 hands on your opponent and 20% PFR is pretty typical for 6-max to slightly passive. So you really don't know much about his UTG range. Assuming it's normal though, you're not doing well against his 3-bet calling range (again, assuming his stats somewhat normalize into reg stats).

To simplify this you'd basically flip/flop your equity in the hand from having a 60/40 advantage pre-flop if you call, to a 40/60 disadvantage if you 3-bet. After you add up the math of how often you fold to a 4-bet, miss out on set mining, using your position postlfop to outplay him, etc... it's just higher EV to call.
 
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To simplify this you'd basically flip/flop your equity in the hand from having a 60/40 advantage pre-flop if you call, to a 40/60 disadvantage if you 3-bet. After you add up the math of how often you fold to a 4-bet, miss out on set mining, using your position postlfop to outplay him, etc... it's just higher EV to call.
Got it. This makes sense. The bolded part struck a note. Thanx.

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