$5 NLHE 6-max: TT on turn

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Villain is unknown, how should I have played on turn?

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Hero (BB): $5.26 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 4.2, hands: 10306
UTG: $1.00 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 11, 3B: 3, AF: 2.3, Hands: 218
MP: $5.02 - VPIP: 5, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 19
CO: $1.96 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 38, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, Hands: 8
BTN: $2.00 - VPIP: 40, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
SB: $6.21 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 13

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with T
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T
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2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 9
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8
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Hero checks, CO bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.45, CO calls $0.29

Turn: ($1.22) A
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Hero bets $0.70, CO raises to $1.36, Hero calls $0.66

River: ($3.94) 3
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Vs a 40BB CO raising range, who's running 38/38 (Given only 7hands) I still just 3b, get it in pre, we're never going be in to bad of a shape.

As played; I'm not a fan of x/r the flop, you fold all his bluffs. We also have the blockers for all straight draws (6,7) (QJ),so we're not likely to be outdrawn by those hands. Also; leading the turn given his stack size, you're priced in to call of anything now if he comes over the top. It also gives him a chance to fold out worse hands you can get value for and most importantly, it gives him a chance to bluff the Ace high turn if you check to him.
 
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I didn't realise he was so short when I played the hand but I agree with you. I realised he was short after he shoved and I had to call.
 
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Check-raising the flop against this type of opponent isn't ideal. He looks like he will likely be a passive fish, so no guarantee he's going to bet. So now one mistake on the flop, makes the turn difficult with relative stack sizes. Make sure you're paying attention to stacks, and you're making a plan for how much money you're looking to invest int this pot, and how to properly get it in or control it.

Mistakes happen of course, and as played with no history I'd check the turn and if it's checked through, then bet the river small for value. Squeeze value from his small pair 8/9. Since you CR the flop, he's not going to be super inclined to bet the turn unless he has a hand or is brain dead.
 
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Don't GII PF, he very likely isn't 4 betting worse and yes we are in awful shape even if he is short stacked.
 
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Don't GII PF, he very likely isn't 4 betting worse and yes we are in awful shape even if he is short stacked.

Sorry, but I think you're quite wrong here. What makes you think someone playing a 40bb game; is only 4betting getting in JJ+/AQ+? Short stack play is so different to deep stack play, it's not like we're calling of 100BB vs him. TT even vs a short stacks tight range (He clearly isnt going to be a tight btw), is never going to be hugely bad spot to get in. The 4bet shove these days; doesn't mean the top 5% of his hands and it especially doesn't mean it when it's from a 40BB range.

It's 5nl; he's 40bb deep, he's a fish, he's opening the CO and even though we have a very small hand sample size the likely hood is that villain doesn't have the ability to assign a range of hands for us. So instead of villain folding like he should, he won't want to see a flop so will likely 4B shove any Ax;KJ+,22+giving us a 60/30 in most cases. I'll take that every time vs a short stack. If we hit the top of his range; then lucky him..more times than not though vs this sort of player this short, we're going to be a 60/30 and the very worse case scenario if we're looking at the long term is that we're going to be flipping.

I assume your option is just flat call pre? Personally I think playing TT OOP with 40bb eff with the information we have, I think is quite a big mistake and isn't going to do our results good but each to their own I guess..
 
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Yeah, it's really the bottom sentence that gets us here. We're playing 40 BB stack...forget effective, WE have a 40BB stack. If you're not trying to get it in pre with 10s, what are you even doing? And OOP? Easy 3bet

Sorry, but I think you're quite wrong here. What makes you think someone playing a 40bb game; is only 4betting getting in JJ+/AQ+? Short stack play is so different to deep stack play, it's not like we're calling of 100BB vs him. TT even vs a short stacks tight range (He clearly isnt going to be a tight btw), is never going to be hugely bad spot to get in. The 4bet shove these days; doesn't mean the top 5% of his hands and it especially doesn't mean it when it's from a 40BB range.

It's 5nl; he's 40bb deep, he's a fish, he's opening the CO and even though we have a very small hand sample size the likely hood is that villain doesn't have the ability to assign a range of hands for us. So instead of villain folding like he should, he won't want to see a flop so will likely 4B shove any Ax;KJ+,22+giving us a 60/30 in most cases. I'll take that every time vs a short stack. If we hit the top of his range; then lucky him..more times than not though vs this sort of player this short, we're going to be a 60/30 and the very worse case scenario if we're looking at the long term is that we're going to be flipping.

I assume your option is just flat call pre? Personally I think playing TT OOP with 40bb eff with the information we have, I think is quite a big mistake and isn't going to do our results good but each to their own I guess..
 
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if hero was on SB, would you just call pre?
 
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