$5 NLHE 6-max: Troubles with FD - overcalling?

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Overcalling?

I guess many will say I should x OTF, but my logic was that UTG mostly has given up and can easily improve later streets with higher cards, and BB mostly folds and sometimes calls with medium hands and draws and is willing mostly to give up to barrels.


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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 15.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 89)
SB: 109.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 194.4 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 22)
UTG: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (MP): 117.6 BB
CO: 117.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J T

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) Q 6 7
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 7.6 BB, BB raises to 24.6 BB, fold, Hero calls 17 BB

Turn: (58.6 BB, 2 players) J
BB bets 22.4 BB, Hero calls 22.4 BB

River: (103.4 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets 67.6 BB and is all-in, BB calls 67.6 BB
 
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thing is if hes got nothing and oop he isnt going anywhere and no where to hide.

take the freecard we arent drawing to the nuts and in position we have the luxury of keeping the pot low.

I wouldve raised the turn it looked weak there and he looks like he wants to make it cheap to see a river card. So thats when ill make it a big raise.
 
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No problem with the cbet on the flop. It takes it down often enough. Not sure I agree with calling such a big check raise with a naked flush draw especially since he did it with UTG still in the pot. This players stats don't seem too spewy either. Curious to what he check called the river with, I don't think our flush gets paid off by worse.
 
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Fold pre, fold flop, then played fine played. You're getting 5:1 direct + implied on the turn, and villain clearly isn't folding his monster.
 
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Yeah but c9 reverse implied odds. we are just shoving into the nuts.

And this will happen a lot of times against UTG
 
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Interesting I didn’t realize this is pretty much standard hand. Too much to learn.



@c9 I do agree that folding pre is probably the most profitable play for player as skilled as me, but the thing is that on that day I read about calling ranges and TJs is well in the calling range of 6max because there is no light squeezing generally in my level. So in in a way calling a player raising from UTG is not that big deal with draw hand, compared to calling BU vs MP or CO. I think I need to learn to play these hands too someday?


@Aces@c9 just to clarify, you did notice it is BB, I think BB range should be much weaker also in flush department than just nuts? Especially when he checked.


@All, I kinda see why not CB is usually preferred. We keep our quite good equity, without risking losing it. I agree though with @16c that cbet probably has good equity (maybe better) too, just needs to play correctly on later streets, and that is sometimes a bit hard. So not cbetting makes it much easier to us.
 
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@Ace: “So thats when ill make it a big raise.”
I did think that, but felt that second pair is good sometimes. Wrong idea?
 
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I thought it was played okay. Though getting check raised on the flop alarm bells. He could do this with Axcc or Kxcc. He also can check raise with flopped top pair with a Ac in in his hand.

The turn bet he made signals to me his hand isn't completed, so i think he leads there smallish with his non made hands (flush draw). But if he did have you beat it's Axcc or you win vs his two pair or a lower flush.
not too many combos their with smaller flushes though.
 
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@c9 I do agree that folding pre is probably the most profitable play for player as skilled as me, but the thing is that on that day I read about calling ranges and TJs is well in the calling range of 6max because there is no light squeezing generally in my level. So in in a way calling a player raising from UTG is not that big deal with draw hand, compared to calling BU vs MP or CO. I think I need to learn to play these hands too someday?


@Aces@c9 just to clarify, you did notice it is BB, I think BB range should be much weaker also in flush department than just nuts? Especially when he checked.
Preflop: The fold isn't standard, but cold calling puts you in a clear spot to get squeezed from players behind you (either pre or postflop). And JT is a little too dominated by AJ/JJ type hands in UTG ranges.

Turn: Yeah, his range is absolutely not nut flushes. Sets/two pair are absolutely in his range, AQ could be as well.
 
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Probably check the flop due to how you have the chance to make a made hand that is not the nuts
 
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Also would say that this hand play like AcQx or it's a hand with the nut flush draw personally I think it's the ladder due to how it is checked on the turn almost asking to keep the pot small and on the river what is he calling with that you beat if he isn't a fish does not probably have a set and two pair maybe but to call a river shove there with something other then top two is bold you probably shoved into king high or ace high flush when check raised on flop sometimes it's best to just surrender
 
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