$5 NLHE 6-max: $ : $ : Trips over trips, overpair vs overpairs?

Lostmyhouse

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Swedish currency but i converted it to dollars, therefore 5NL!

Hey guys, i would highly appreciate any input on those two hands, i think i did the right decisions mostly based on stats, the first hand is only based on the fact that the guy is a total nit-stats.
Pretty new to the table, only had 10hands on those guys but the nitty guy stats keept being on the extremly nitty side even after 50hands.

JJ vs ?
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/6780190

This guys stats are 10/5 1.0
I raise with JJ he INSTA raise and i call, he is a total nit so i basically setmine here with a low stack, pretty bad, would i already fold preflop here? in best case he has AK or JJ.
More likely AA, KK or QQ based on his nitty stats. So why not just fold preflop? Now afterwards do i think that a fold is the best move here.
So the flops comes and it is a perfect flop to me generally, and i would go all in against a standard player here but not against a 10/5 nit. And he insta cbet so i just fold my overpair.
Why would a passive nit suddenly cbet with AK here? No he has KK.


A7s VS A10o
http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/6780193

Now my hand is suited and it will be hard to put me on a flush if i hit it.
The flop comes 2AA and this guys seems to be a maniac, he had 40/30 after 15hands. Worthless sample but way better than guessing.
I really dont like it because i have this feeling that he has a higher kicker, my kicker kinda suck, but i just have to get it in there against a seemingly maniac.. 40/30 not really a maniac 5handed but i had seen him in many pots before this pot.
He would get it in there with A3, A4, A5, A6 and based on his stats after 15 hands i also thinks that he will get it in with any pair, he didn't raise before the flop so not AA, KK, QQ, so it comes down to any pair, but is he really so crazy that he get's it in with 88-10? And why wouldnt he raised those hands preflop? It's not like he is a maniac only postflop.
I would get it in on the flop, don't like the call, more fold equity if i get it in on the flop, not because he ever fold A10 here but.. I had 4 clear outs (7) and i could have a backdorr flushdraw.And i won't change my mind whatever card comes on the turn and river so really more fold equity if i push it on the flop. Either i fold this (it would saved me money lol) or i keep pushing it in there with people like him.

I don't know, when i played it i had this feeling but my logic told me to get it in, i am not so sure anymore, but i really can't fold trips against a 40/30 guy.. I would do it again. It would be great if you tells me that it is a clear fold, because that will save me money in the future.

My first thoughts directly after the hand and in the hand was that this is a clear cooler, but i am not so sure anymore, when i am sitting here and analysing it. It is maybe just wishful thinking by me.
I would get it in on the flop, don't like the call, more fold equity if i get it in on the flop, not because he ever fold A10 here but..
 
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suby_rafael

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So about the hand where you had :jd4::jh4: if you have a very short stack then you can shove even against such a knit. The difficulty here is that you have not posted the stack sizes - it would have led to a more accurate analysis.

Anyways if we have a decent stack against such a knit player like you described i don't mind the fold post flop with JJ there. Should you fold pre flop against such a player ?? Not if we have the stack to set mine. (this is where knowing effective stack sizes helps). Against such a tight player we should try and see the flop if possible. Even if we do not hit a set, if we get a favorable flop like :8d4::9c4::10h4: or :9d4::10h4::qc4: we have a good shot against the villain.
So did you play the hand good ?? I think yes, you saw the flop and made a fold to a c-bet. It is ok to fold here.:icon_sant

Now to the A7 vs A10 hand - In this hand i agree with your point that we should seldom fold trip aces against a maniac. But we should also not be shoving it ourselves on the flop.

Just keep calling villain's bets if you think he has a better kicker as folding here is very difficult. This is not a clear fold so stop cursing yourself as to why you didn't fold. It is a bit of a cooler so do not worry too much. Instead of shoving on the flop had we opted for the "check-call" option we might have ended up saving some money. :icon_bigs
 
alipalip

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At JJ should call at flop i think. There are many hand at Villain wich he can cbet. And as suby_rafael sad if u was short stack u can rise all in!

At A7 preflop is ok with suiteds an multiway pot i think. At the flop folding is very difficult so suby_rafael has right again call will be the right line.
 
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