$5 NLHE 6-max: Trips facing 400bb river shove

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5NL 6-max zoom on pokerstars. Villain is a 17/17 over 105 hands with a 10% 3bet, 100% Cbet and 8% AF. In other words, he is an aggressive reg. We are both deep-stacked (426bb effective stacks), so I thought that there was a lot of implied odds playing a suited connector against him.

BTN: $5.45
SB: $5.96
BB: $7.67
Hero (UTG): $21.30
MP: $5.23
CO: $24.98

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with 6:heart: 7:heart:
Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.45, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.97) A:heart: 6:diamond: T:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.55, Hero calls $0.55

Turn: ($2.07) 6:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.15, Hero raises to $3.20, CO calls $2.05

River: ($8.47) 5:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, CO raises to $20.78 all in, Hero folds

BOOM Hand Replayer

My logic was: preflop I wanted to play a speculative hand against him because we were deep-stacked and I felt that there would be good implied odds. On the flop, I thought that I had plenty of outs to improve. I had a weak pair (which could possibly improve to 2 pair or trips) and I had a backdoor flush draw. Also, the villain had a 100% Cbet over the sample size of 105 hands, so I didn't necessarily believe that he hit the board. On the turn, I wanted to get value from draws and sticky Ax hands. I was planning to fold if I got 3bet. On the river, I wasn't sure whether to check-call (let him bluff his busted draws), or bet/fold (try to get more value from sticky Ax hands). I felt that I could never bet/call because the villain would only ever raise me with a boat.

What do you think about the way hero played and the logic hero used?
 
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People get on my case a lot for playing too many hands preflop, and they're going to say the same thing to you. That being said, I you do want to play a speculative hand against him, don't do it UTG. And I see your logic for your open raise, but I would definitely fold to his 3bet preflop.

Im thinking either has AT, AK or AA or TT. Which, you really need to be worried about a full house here.

Mathematically, I think you only need to have the best hand 33% of the time in order to call here, but I would probably cut my losses and fold and try not to get into spots like that again.

Do you have stats on CO because they would be extremely helpful here. What's his 3bet range? What's his WTS% ? Maybe he has a read on you and is trying to bully you out of the pot?
 
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Don't open that pre-flop especially when you have an aggressive deep stacked reg who has position on you.

I think river bet/fold is better than c/c. He's aggressive so he might bluff some of his draws, but since it's a re-raised pot, I think you're better off VBing. I mean it's perfectly reasonable for him to have TT/AA and just call the turn CR and then shove the river. I think at these stakes you'll see the nuts more often than bluffs this deep.
 
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Basically hero is playing a very weak hand out of position against strength. Not a great scenario most days - barring heavenly intervention of course. Given that you know villain is going to play aggressively you might want to rethink playing speculative hands against this player out of position.

You really don't have many realistic outs on the flop (the third 6 on the turn was low probability luck). Check/folding the flop would be the most profitable strategy most of the time at that point (assuming you entered the hand in the first place, which I really don't think you should have). You just plain don't have a hand. Plus, you knew in advance that he was likely to come back at you very strongly.

You may have had him on the turn. That would have been the point to do or die. A big opening raise (not a check/raise) would have told you more (and would have been cheaper overall).
 
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Im thinking either has AT, AK or AA or TT. Which, you really need to be worried about a full house here.

Do you have stats on CO because they would be extremely helpful here. What's his 3bet range? What's his WTS% ? Maybe he has a read on you and is trying to bully you out of the pot?

I don't think that AT or AK ever raises the river. Why would he raise the river with TPTK after I have shown so much strength by check-raising the turn and barreling the river? That's just plain suicide. The villain has to worry about me having a boat. He'll be flat-calling at best in the hopes that I show a busted draw. That's assuming he doesn't fold AK, which wouldn't be an unreasonable thing for him to do.

And I did post stats on the villain. Read the opening paragraph.

I mean it's perfectly reasonable for him to have TT/AA and just call the turn CR and then shove the river. I think at these stakes you'll see the nuts more often than bluffs this deep.

Yeah I figured that it makes a lot of sense for the villain to smooth call the turn check-raise, rather than 3bet. The villain not only wants to give me a chance to hit my draw (if I'm on a draw) so that he can stack me with his boat, but he also wants to keep my bluffs intact and let me barrel again OTR. So I think that his line is easily consistent with AA/TT.

EDIT: I think that one of my weaknesses is I tend to overvalue suited connectors. Can someone tell me roughly what pocket pair each suited connector equates to? Like I'd assume that 22 is better than 32s for example, but what about say, 55 vs 76s? Which is the better hand? If my UTG opening range for pocket pairs is 55+, then what should my opening range for suited connectors and suited one-gappers be?
 
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EDIT: I think that one of my weaknesses is I tend to overvalue suited connectors. Can someone tell me roughly what pocket pair each suited connector equates to? Like I'd assume that 22 is better than 32s for example, but what about say, 55 vs 76s? Which is the better hand? If my UTG opening range for pocket pairs is 55+, then what should my opening range for suited connectors and suited one-gappers be?

You shouldn't have suited one-gappers in your UTG range and suited connectors should be 109s+. Hands like K10s are not bad either but I don't really consider that hand a suited gapper.

Pocket pairs are hands down better then all suited connectors(again I am not counting broadway hands in here, not sure if you do.)

There is a reason PP need 20-1 implied and SCs need closer to 50-1.

PP you can really play fit or fold and are easy to play and hard for villain to spot when you hit unlike suited connectors where flush/straights coming in are pretty obvious.

I would say you are overvaluing SCs at this point but hell, it is a pretty common thing and I still overvalue them in spots myself.

As for the hand, fold pre like others say. Also fold flop AP, we are crushed by his 3 bet range and do not have the equity to call a bet for 2p/trips. His 100% cbet range doesn't really carry over to his cbet range in 3 bet pots, especially on this flop. Even if he 3bet light with a suited ace, he hit. You also have to think he isn't 3betting UTG raises as light as he may be in other spots. Plus we are OOP so getting to showdown with bottom pair is almost never happening.
 
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Dude. Open-fold pre. As played, fold to 3b. As played fold flop.

If we are playing SCs, it should be in position (preferably). We are playing them to make 5-card poker hands. We are not playing them to call PF 3bs OOP, or to call with bottom pair, and try to suck out.

Yes I know you guys are deep. Yes I know you can flop well.

However, peeling on A-10-6dd, with 6h-7h is lighting money on fire.

And I guess he could be bluffing river with Kd-Qd or something like that.


In all honesty, the way you played this hand is horrific (in my very humble opinion, with all due respect). And I should know. I butcher hands regularly like it's my job.
 
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http://www.cardfight.com/76s.html

This site should give you some rough and dirties. I think you played that hand really well start to finish. Good thought pattern all the way through.
 
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check call river.. im folding flop tbh
 
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Way to lose almost 200bb without getting to showdown.
So how strong do we need to be to call? Middle set of tens? If it was a bluff he has the heart of a lion.
Where's deepstack Duggs when you need him?
 
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Oh my, my, what a pickle,

Okay, I am going to give you the open raise with suited connectors, though I am not going to do that hardly ever UTG. But in your game plan with that hand is an absolute must - FOLD to any 3 bet.
Why is that you say - because you will more times than not end up either with nothing or in some sort of predicament - just like happened.

On hitting trips - it's just not as strong as we would like to think. A lot of times we can end up giving it the same value as a set, forgetting (until it's too late) that the pair on the board also belongs to our opponent. Check raising the turn is a mistake and should have just been a check/call, exercising some pot control on a hand that just falls short of a monster.
 
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