$5 NLHE 6-max: Tripple Barrel Bluff.

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Wardy88

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No info on villain. I am a bit embarrassed about the hand TBH, just want to get your guys thoughts.

I got no excuse for the pre 3-bet haha, I don't do it with a hand like this often, if I do the hand is usually a suited connector and the villain has shown a tendency to steal.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 185.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 6)
SB: 70 BB
Hero (BB): 122.2 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 40.8 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 381.6 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7:club: 9:spade:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 7 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Flop: (14.4 BB, 2 players) K:spade: T:club: 2:diamond:
Hero bets 7 BB, BTN calls 7 BB

Turn: (28.4 BB, 2 players) T:spade:
Hero bets 20 BB, BTN calls 20 BB

River: (68.4 BB, 2 players) 6:spade:
Hero bets 88.2 BB and is all-in

The flop bet is folding out all of villains air

The turn I'm trying to represent the 10 and make villain fold a K, I'm folding to a raise but I need to bet enough to try to get villain to fold the K.

The River shove is probably the first time I have tried a river shove as a bluff, I thought villain would call all my smaller bets with Kx and would have raised the turn with 10x, so I thought at the time the only hand that calls the river shove is 22. I thought that villain would have folded a naked flush draw when the board pairs on the turn but maybe that's giving too much credit.
 
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I don't like 3 betting that hand oop. We'll get flatted a lot and it doesn't play well. I'm fine with the triple barrel.
 
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I think by the call on the turn it feels likely he has a king. If he has something like AQ/AJ chasing the gutshot, he can't call anyway, so shoving rather than betting the river big makes it a more expensive bluff than it has to be.
 
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I think a stab on the flop is alright but i would give up on the turn when the board pairs. If BTN is a fish i wouldnt bother even trying to bluff
 
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I think every street was played pretty poorly honestly. Pre-flop is bad, sizing and just random 3-betting. Flop sizing is bad. Only thing good here is the c-bet itself. Turn is bad. You should just give up since the turn didn't really change anything. River is super bad. You could have just bluffed 20 bbs and got the same results because nothing is really folding other than busted draws. It's pretty much spew on every street.
 
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I have to agree with the above post. The hand is a gong show. I don't know if you often 3bet Tx hands in this spot with the goofy sizing pre but I wouldn't trust your opponent to believe so.
 
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I knew the hand was bad as I said, and that's why I post it, I would like to improve the worst part of my game.

Like I said, I have no excuse for the 3-bet Pre, its just bad.

My flop sizing is small because I am trying to fold out villains air, I expect villain to call with top or middle pair and most of their draws, I expect villain to not be reacting differently to different bet sizes on the flop so shouldn't I be betting small as a bluff and large for value?

The more I look at the turn and river the more I dislike it, I should just be check folding this turn I think. The river is total spew on my part, at the time I was telling myself that if I was villain and I had QK here, I would fold to a shove but not a 1/2 pot bet. But villain isn't me.

I have been experimenting with pre flop 3-betting sizes, I have found that a lot of regs are stealing like 50% of hands and I want to work out a 3-betting range and size that can exploit this, the 7bb 3-bet has worked against a lot of villains who are stealing too much, my sample size is probably too small to tell if this is actually working or if I am just dumping money in these spots, plus I have found that villains don't get attached to their hands as much when the pot is small on the flop and I have 3-bet and then C-bet, I have shown strength without putting loads of money into the pot.

Yes 79o is not in my 3-betting range, I think this was partly tilt at getting my blind stolen more often than I like, and partly playing too many tables.

I don't know maybe I should just stick to value betting and screw the pre flop 3-bet bluffs.
 
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I agree with John. Your way of hand playing is not reasonable and hard to let the villain laying down his hand. Not to say you may even shove against nuts.
 
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Regarding pre, you said this player has shown a tendency to steal but you only have 5 or 6 hands on him and he is 20/0 so far, so I don't think there's any reason to believe that the small 3bet oop with 97o is a good idea in that spot. Post flop there's two things to take away from this hand and bear in mind for the future. One is bet sizing considerations, and the sizing used this hand is imo pretty poor (particularly on the river). The other is picking spots to run multi street bluffs, and why. To try an elaborate bluff you want a) the right player and b) the right situation (in terms of board, blockers, etc etc). I don't know that you have the right player and based on the stats posted I don't know that you know you have the right player either. As for the spot, I don't like it. He has a lot of Tx in his range given how the hand was played (more than you do) and even top pair can certainly look you up otr at 5NL after calling flop and turn just by deciding that this is a weird way for you to play a better king or even aces on this run out. Anyway food for thought is all.
 
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Cheers guys. This is definitely rare for me, and now non-existent in my game. Thanks for the advice.
 
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