$5 NLHE 6-max: TPGK IP check raised on fairly wet board.

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MP ($7.44)
CO ($4.34)
Button ($8.31)
SB ($10.33)
BB ($8.14) This guy is a 33/20 with a steal of 50 over 18 hands.
Hero (UTG) ($5.02)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q , A
Hero bets $0.20, 4 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) A , J , 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, BB raises to $0.85

Hero's move...

Total pot: $0.98 | Rake: $0.04

when people call from the blinds it's usualy with pp's, two face cards, suited connectors and suited A's.

Once again try and bet more UTG as a standard. (I didn't mention this before but it also allows there three bet to be much bigger, so when you have a hand thats icing on the cake)

As for the flop, it's pretty wet but it hits your range really well and he still c/r's you. I can't see a flush draw doing this at this level as it won't be A high, so your left to two pairs or sets.

I would probably call the raise only because i have position and the turn can give us so much equity that would allow us to re-evaluate if a turn bet is made.

Don't raise more as a standard because you're UTG. It only means you'll get called by better hands. If you know someone will call your bigger raise sizes with a wide range then raise bigger when isolating him.

Forget all that hits your range stuff, this is 5NL it doesn't matter. The only question is : is he passive? If he is it's an easy fold.

3bet flop and play for stacks if necessary...

3 bet pre? Does not compute

Thanks for the responces guys, I folded to wait for a better spot. Its never long before these idiots present you with one!

"3 bet pre? Does not compute", does not compute...

ComplexPlaya said:

Don't raise more as a standard because you're UTG. It only means you'll get called by better hands.

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Why is this a problem? Getting called less often by better hands and picking up more blinds doesn't fill me with dread. Surely when the flop comes and you think about how it hits him you just put him on a narrower range?

Deceitful_Frank said:

Thanks for the responces guys, I folded to wait for a better spot. Its never long before these idiots present you with one!

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ARRRRRRRRRRGGGH!

Deceitful_Frank said:

Why is this a problem? Getting called less often by better hands and picking up more blinds doesn't fill me with dread. Surely when the flop comes and you think about how it hits him you just put him on a narrower range?

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Because it's too hard. You really think you will go in the middle of a hand and think "hmm this 24/16 guy would normally have J9s in his range here, but because I've raised bigger and am UTG he's playing JT+ now, so I'll call"

Double-A said:

ARRRRRRRRRRGGGH!

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+100000000000

Double-A said:

"3 bet pre? Does not compute", does not compute...

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you obviously ninja editted your post to say 3bet flop instead of 3bet preflop

my mistake

ComplexPlaya said:

Don't raise more as a standard because you're UTG. It only means you'll get called by better hands.

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Um, wtf? This is like wrong to the millionth power. And he's not passive, he's a 33/20.

A 33/20 will usually be a decentish player after 18 hands, and he's check/raising you after you raised UTG. This is really close, but AJ/88 and big draws are all in range. I'm okay making a bit of a nitty fold here.

c9h13no3 said:

A 33/20 will usually be a decentish player after 18 hands, and he's check/raising you after you raised UTG. This is really close, but AJ/88 and big draws are all in range. I'm okay making a bit of a nitty fold here.

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Interesting...

I'd tend to think he's probably a little loose, tends to err on the side of aggression, tries to steal more often than most, and isn't very good at concealing any of the above (or doesn't care).

I'm more likely to stack TP...

But, I play 90% FR... Is that enough to account for our different reads?

Micro players' pf ranges are relatively inelastic, meaning they'll usually call with the same frequency vs a 3bb open vs a 4bb open. When we open utg our range is strong, we want money in the pot, and as such opening bigger is just fine, it's my standard fwiw.

ChuckTs said:

Micro players' pf ranges are relatively inelastic, meaning they'll usually call with the same frequency vs a 3bb open vs a 4bb open. When we open utg our range is strong, we want money in the pot, and as such opening bigger is just fine, it's my standard fwiw.

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Not to mention that its harder to get stacks in OOP. Raising a bit bigger can help get all the money in with a bet/bet/bet line.

Double-A said:

I'd tend to think he's probably a little loose, tends to err on the side of aggression, tries to steal more often than most, and isn't very good at concealing any of the above (or doesn't care).

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33/20 could easily be a 20/19 TAG after only 18 hands.

The key thing you need to take away from a 33/20 stat line after 18 hands is that *he's playing most of his hands for a raise*. Good players do that, fish don't. So he's at least learned that much, and is likely fairly aggressive post flop.