$5 NLHE 6-max: Tough spot, A-Qs OOP, TPTK on monotone board.

• I don't think villain pots the flop with a flush. Stinks to high heaven like weakness to me.
• I raised OTF because I want to get value from hands that contain one heart.
• I think I have the best hand OTF for sure.
• When villain just flats my raise OTF, I am thinking he does have a hand with one heart, possibly a gutter or SD too. Perhaps K-J, A-K, A-J, PPs.

Blobweird123 said:

k So my couple thoughts are: Preflop i'm 3betting here vs another 100bb stack pretty much always. On the flop, if you felt he's full of shit, why raise? Why not let him barrel the turn? I don't know if it's 100% good here but I don't mind check/calling 2 streets here with no hearts peeling on the turn. Chances are we don't have to worry about river so much because he's not tripling this board without a flush, or a set at worst. 3betting pre makes hands like this so much easier to play

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Beanfacekilla said:

These are good points man.

Honestly, in zone, I don't have much time to think (15 seconds).

I raised the flop just thinking he is not folding anyways, so I could get more money in the pot.

However, C/C all streets unless a heart peels is a great option that I didn't consider.


Thanks for the input man.

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WVHillbilly said:

He could be potting here with a lot more than just 1 heart hands imo including quite a few that beat you. Also what happened to your rational for not 3betting pre (that you don't want to play a big pot hand with AQ) on the flop? HATE raising the flop bet.

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Mr Sandbag said:

As others have said, 3betting pre is probably good.

I don't know if I like the flop raise. I guess this is somewhat similar to the hand I posted recently where I had some trouble with my raise. What worse hands do you expect to call? And what better hands do you expect to fold?

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Beanfacekilla said:

Draws and 1-heart hands I expect to call. Basically a ton of hands that have equity against me (that I am ahead of OTF anyways). I am basically flipping on the flop vs. the range I had villain on. Pretty thin spot for value, but I guess I was hoping my hand would hold up.

Also, I will post the results after a while, but they don't really matter anyways.

It was just a tough spot, and I wanted some input.


Thanks for the thoughts as always, Sandbag.

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Mr Sandbag said:

But which one-heart hands can he be holding that he'd bet so heavily on the flop and then call a check-raise? I jotted down a range quickly, and I came up with this:

AhAs/AhAc/KhKs/KhKc/KhKd/KhJx(4)/KhQs/KhQc

You're an underdog to all of those hands except KhQx, and even then it's just about a coin flip. Even Jh10x is 50/50.

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Mr Sandbag said:

But which one-heart hands can he be holding that he'd bet so heavily on the flop and then call a check-raise? I jotted down a range quickly, and I came up with this:

AhAs/AhAc/KhKs/KhKc/KhKd/KhJx(4)/KhQs/KhQc

You're an underdog to all of those hands except KhQx, and even then it's just about a coin flip. Even Jh10x is 50/50.

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Blobweird123 said:

Also AhJx, AhKx, so thats 8 more combos. Still not a fan of raising though.

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Blobweird123 said:

Also AhJx, AhKx, so thats 8 more combos. Still not a fan of raising though.

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Beanfacekilla said:

My range is more like many PP's with hearts, A-K, A-Q, A-10, A-J, straight draws, BS with nothing no equity, basically any A or K hand with a heart, even Qx with a heart, Jx with a heart, tons of hands.

People don't pot flops with huge hands usually, they want action. I thought he probably had some sort of draw, but he wanted me to just fold so he could take it down.

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Beanfacekilla said:

Yeah I guess I pretty much agree with this in hindsight.

I did think perhaps I had some FE in case villain was FOS.

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Blobweird123 said:

But if villain is FOS with no heart draw or anything, why do we want to fold him out is the key question? We don't want to utilize strong FE vs hands we crush I would think.

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duggs said:

tbh I don't mind flatting pre, strengthens up our flatting range a bunch, but as a default I'm more inclined to 3bet. on the flop his range contains virtually no pure air balls, its looks something like 22h+ TT, 77 89, 89h, AJh AhJ KhJ KJh Q10 710 QJh QKh Qxh QQ+. don't get why everyone hates the flop raise so much, its never a flopped flush, and flush draws far outweigh 2p+sets+overpairs and we don't expect him to pot/fold a draw.

Also If he does have air, he is going to make us make bad folds on so many run outs so there is actually value in folding out his bluffs. I probably raise bigger tbh. turn is super gross but we should have 3 new outs the times he got there, i prob just ship the turn and expect hearts and combos to still call.

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duggs said:

tbh I don't mind flatting pre, strengthens up our flatting range a bunch, but as a default I'm more inclined to 3bet. on the flop his range contains virtually no pure air balls, its looks something like 22h+ TT, 77 89, 89h, AJh AhJ KhJ KJh Q10 710 QJh QKh Qxh QQ+. don't get why everyone hates the flop raise so much, its never a flopped flush, and flush draws far outweigh 2p+sets+overpairs and we don't expect him to pot/fold a draw.

Also If he does have air, he is going to make us make bad folds on so many run outs so there is actually value in folding out his bluffs. I probably raise bigger tbh. turn is super gross but we should have 3 new outs the times he got there, i prob just ship the turn and expect hearts and combos to still call.

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