$5 NLHE 6-max: Top Two on a nasty wet board vs two people, what's our flop line?

The shortie stack was newish to the table, didn't have enough on him to have any sort of read.

The bigger stack had 27/17 over 52 hands...


I only called here because I was getting 4/1 5/1 odds before anyone says "fold pre " Anyway kind was wondering whats the best line here?

The one I have a little history with is willing to call of top pair etc often enough. Loves calling his draws and so on.

Not sure what's our line here on the flop so I check (Not good i Don't think but SS was renowed from the little info I had on just raising anyway so I wanted to get stacks in with him solely)

Anyway when shortie bets so small and CO calls I kind of just want to get headsup and ship the turn vs the short stack so I raise, expecting CO to fold (should of bet larger maybes?)..he calls though then short stack ships it and he calls again! WTF!..so erm...whats our best move now? Just get all the chips in now and just slap ourselves for putting us in a bad spot?

I played the hand bad I guess with check/re-raise blahblah I guess...but was kind of a weird spot to be in especially when you get calls then you re-raise and get called again.. Thoughts?

Soo, when MP now ships, we can be kind of sure we might be behind to like some sick straight hand or something, however when the biger stack calls can we expect to be ahead here to just ship the lot in now seen as everyone is committed and if we're behind, then hit some of our outs to boat up?


1: Just ship the flop, expect to be behind
2: Evaluate on the turn
3ossibly even fold here?


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saw flop

MP (€1.57)
CO (€4.07)
Button (€5.74)
SB (€7.78)
Hero (BB) (€5.43)
UTG (€5.72)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , 8
UTG calls €0.05, MP bets €0.10, CO calls €0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls €0.05, UTG calls €0.05

Flop: (€0.42) 6 , 8 , 9 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets €0.10, CO calls €0.10, Hero raises to €0.60, 1 fold, MP raises to €1.47 (All-In), CO calls €1.37, Hero ?

I think we beat CO's range here so you could be looking to get HU against him. I don't know what to make of CO's constant calling . . . it's either super strong (a set/straight) or it's him drawing. I think it's more likely to be a draw as with all the interest in the pot already (betting, raising, shoving) I think he would just shove over the top to avoid peopling drawing to a flush anyway.

Therefore i'd shove here if possible.

Ranges i'd give each player:

MP: TT+, AKs+, 66, TJs and the two combo's of 99 and 88 that are left.
CO: A7 with a spade, 79,67,87 any flushdraw eg. KTspades, JTspades, JQspades etc. Possibly 7T,57,66-AA.

shove. Also I'd probably donk bet that flop fwiw

bgomez89 said:

shove. Also I'd probably donk bet that flop fwiw

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Ditto.
COs call isn't really strong, he's a fish this could be a straight draw/flush draw/ overpair/ toppair. There are only 5combos of set 57o/T7o aren't going to be played much if at all, heck many players won't have the suited versions either.

This is a fist pump shove.

Yep. Get it in.

Id donk flop for a PSB and shove if I got raised.

Surprised no one has said squeeze pre. It's certainly something I'd be considering.

As played, I'm gonna vote for leading the flop & stacking off. But I don't think this is a fist-pump shove. Its just the right move.

c9h13no3 said:

Surprised no one has said squeeze pre. It's certainly something I'd be considering.

As played, I'm gonna vote for leading the flop & stacking off. But I don't think this is a fist-pump shove. Its just the right move.

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Squeezing here is probably fine since the shorty only min raised so our bet size doesn't need to be huge but ime short stacks don't like to fold preflop after they have opened.

c9h13no3 said:

Surprised no one has said squeeze pre. It's certainly something I'd be considering.

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I would either be squeezing pre or folding, I certainly wouldn't call because this is such a tough hand to play OOP against likely aggression.

On the flop I prefer leading big, but as played shove to get value from CO. You will likely have to fade a million draws to scoop the entire pot though. I can't see that you are ever behind the CO though so I tihnk that's where our value is.

I considered squeezing but out of position and a short stack, I guess his limping range is ahead of my raising range in this spot especially if he's likely to call, kind of leaves us in a horrible spot I think on any streets unless I flop like I did..

NoOneYouKnow said:

I would either be squeezing pre or folding, I certainly wouldn't call because this is such a tough hand to play OOP against likely aggression.

On the flop I prefer leading big, but as played shove to get value from CO. You will likely have to fade a million draws to scoop the entire pot though. I can't see that you are ever behind the CO though so I tihnk that's where our value is.

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6/1 odds on a suited connector OOP is difficult to play? In most cases apart from this one, you either his a nice flop or not.I just didn't know what to do once bigger stack calls small stacks raise.

I don't mind squeezing either btw if he's 100blinds deep..just felt it wasn't right OOP with a SS who is highly probable to cal leaving us near committed on not so nice flops and if we hit any card we're likely having to pay the SS off if he hits better..as he's likely to be limp/caling with better drawing hands than ours.

I agree I should of probs led out to start with.

I don't like squeezing. MP is a shortstack and CO is a fish

Ya, didn't see the stack sizes. But whenever I see that much dead money, my first thought is to snatch it.

ramdeebam said:

6/1 odds on a suited connector OOP is difficult to play? In most cases apart from this one, you either his a nice flop or not.I just didn't know what to do once bigger stack calls small stacks raise.

I don't mind squeezing either btw if he's 100blinds deep..just felt it wasn't right OOP with a SS who is highly probable to cal leaving us near committed on not so nice flops and if we hit any card we're likely having to pay the SS off if he hits better..as he's likely to be limp/caling with better drawing hands than ours.

I agree I should of probs led out to start with.

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We have no high card value against the short stack. And yes, SC's are the worst hands to play against fish OOP. There are really no 'nice flops' and 'bad flops' there are just tons of 'kinda flops'. SC's rely on on fold equity to be profitable and without position, or a villain who can fold, I don't think it is worth playing.

How do you play 2nd pair with this preflop action? or a gutter with backdoor clubs? Squeezing at least gives you an opportunity to take dead money, although I advocate folding outright.