$5 NLHE 6-max: Top set facing a huge shove on river

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Only one hand combo beats me. 89s/o doesn't make sense
Ugly spot
One thing to note is, he didn't snap GII. Took some of the time bank if that helps.
I feel like if he had the nuts he would've snapped it.

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 156.8 BB (VPIP: 20.73, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 84)
SB: 209.8 BB (VPIP: 14.89, PFR: 13.83, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 96)
BB: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 13.26, PFR: 11.24, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 356)
UTG: 230.6 BB (VPIP: 18.34, PFR: 14.53, 3Bet Preflop: 6.28, Hands: 591)
Hero (MP): 431.8 BB
CO: 115.6 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Ad
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (7.4 BB, 2 players) 4c Js Ah
Hero bets 4.4 BB, BTN calls 4.4 BB

Turn : (16.2 BB, 2 players) 7c
Hero bets 11 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

River : (38.2 BB, 2 players) Th
Hero bets 26 BB, BTN raises to 138.4 BB and is all-in,
 
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i would call cant find a fold here against some random online req
 
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Only one hand combo beats me. 89s/o doesn't make sense
Ugly spot
One thing to note is, he didn't snap GII. Took some of the time bank if that helps.
I feel like if he had the nuts he would've snapped it.

partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 156.8 BB (VPIP: 20.73, PFR: 14.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 84)
SB: 209.8 BB (VPIP: 14.89, PFR: 13.83, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 96)
BB: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 13.26, PFR: 11.24, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 356)
UTG: 230.6 BB (VPIP: 18.34, PFR: 14.53, 3Bet Preflop: 6.28, Hands: 591)
Hero (MP): 431.8 BB
CO: 115.6 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac Ad
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (7.4 BB, 2 players) 4c Js Ah
Hero bets 4.4 BB, BTN calls 4.4 BB

Turn : (16.2 BB, 2 players) 7c
Hero bets 11 BB, BTN calls 11 BB

River : (38.2 BB, 2 players) Th
Hero bets 26 BB, BTN raises to 138.4 BB and is all-in,

It looks like an under-set or a fish overbetting A10 did he really have 98o? That would be the sickest runout. Calling an A high board with two undercards then calling another street with a gutshot? The ****...
 
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When people tank shove they nearly always have a value hand, particularly at these stakes.

89 doesn't make much sense, but KQ does. The flop bet is always going to get called particularly if they have the back door flush draw as well. Could be that villain just got sticky with it on the turn or picked up the flush draw as well.

The only other hands that might make sense are JT, AT, TT or maybe a slow played set or AJ. But I'd expect AJ or flopped sets to go for a value raise on the turn, and I'm not sure how TT gets to the river.

Not saying I'd fold. but I'd expect KQ to show up quite a bit, but you also beat some of villains other value range.
 
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the most reasonable draw that can get to the river is KQcc i guess

it could be a slowplayed 44/JJ too, its really close but i think im sigh calling that shove
 
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Well don't know what the V had cause the time bank ran out before I made the call. (Or perhaps I let it run out)

I guess all the possible sets would raise turn at least while two pairs would call it down or raise considering my sizings. The 100BB shove makes very little sense to me tbh.
 
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think it was kq as well, only possible reason for the shove
 
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Sometimes I just don't understand this forum.

Sorry guys, but how is this ever a fold ? I snap call this. Come on are you guys only playing the nuts ? Folding top set here is just so sick.
Of course he can have KQc but he might do this with every set.


What is villains fold to c-bet % ? With his stats I'm pretty sure that he is capable of folding 89 on the flop.
 
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He seems fishy %0 3bet stat along with a %7 gap in vpip and pfr. So one would assume he's a loose-passive fish.

If this is the case then a loose passive fish check calling two streets with a gutshot i.e any combo of KQ is definitely possible. Would he call your cbet with 77? probably not. Would he call your cbet and turn bet with 1010 probably not. Does he have JJ probably not. Though %0 3bet stat you never no. Does he have 44? Maybe but he had the chance to raise you otf and ott and chose not to, so probably not. Also pfish knows there all other sets that beat him and a straight that just completed he's probably not going jam 44. But he might.

This all being said there are 16 combos of KQ and only 12 combos of sets. Very unlikely he has 77,1010,JJ or even 44(And you don't if he shoves 44). So I would take those 12 combos down to about 3 myself. Or you can include all of them it really doesn't matter you have to be good here too often to call. This is a snap fold.

150BB deep even if he's not a pfish. Him calling turn ip with KQ thinking he has the implied odds is very possible.

As for the timing tells unless you know this particular opponent it's irrelevant. There are no population tanking tendencies. Some snap shove the nuts one hand then tank shove the next.
 
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