$5 NLHE 6-max: So Aggressive

$5 NL HE 6-max: So Aggressive

I could not put this guy on pocket KK after his raise on the flop.. I mean how many players will CBET in the position with a Full house on the flop? He played it so aggressive that i got fooled.. i wasnt going to fold this hand after the turn anyway but still.. im just surprised by his play on the flop...

Hand Information
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Table Information
Seat: 1 flip chicken ($5.59)
Seat: 2 xdizzyxx ($4.96) Dealer
Seat: 3 gnobbern ($4.88) Small Blind
Seat: 5 Hero ($4.66) Big Blind
Seat: 6 drgoober ($7.55)
Dealt to Hero


Preflop (Pot:0.07)
RAISE drgoober $0.15
FOLD flip chicken
FOLD xdizzyxx
FOLD gnobbern
CALL Hero$0.1

Flop(Pot: $0.32)


CHECK Hero
BET drgoober $0.2
CALL Hero$0.2

Turn(Pot: $0.72)


CHECK Hero
BET drgoober $0.45
RAISE Hero$1.4
CALL drgoober $0.95

River(Pot: $3.52)


ALL-IN Hero
CALL drgoober $2.91
ShowDown:
SHOWS Hero

SHOWS drgoober

That is exactly why you bet there, "Noone" who actually had it would bet it right? Bad luck on the turn though, you were doomed after that.

You can't build a pot if you don't bet. people will float all kinds of stuff on flop bets becuase they rarely believe you actually have it. At the micro's anyway.

What was your plan for the hand when you called the flop?

c9h13no3 said:

What was your plan for the hand when you called the flop?

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probably thought he had the best hand with 2(four if you count another 6 to come up) outs to make his full house.

bgomez89 said:

probably thought he had the best hand with 2(four if you count another 6 to come up) outs to make his full house.

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This may have been what he was thinking but I fail to see how it is a plan.

What is he going to do on a 2 turn? A turn? What about a K? That's a plan. Thinking "Um... well its hard to have a king or a six, so I'm going to call the flop" is not a plan.

TheseNutsWin said:

I could not put this guy on pocket KK after his raise on the flop.. I mean how many players will CBET in the position with a Full house on the flop? He played it so aggressive that i got fooled.. i wasnt going to fold this hand after the turn anyway but still.. im just surprised by his play on the flop...

Hand Information
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Table Information
Seat: 1 flip chicken ($5.59)
Seat: 2 xdizzyxx ($4.96) Dealer
Seat: 3 gnobbern ($4.88) Small Blind
Seat: 5 Hero ($4.66) Big Blind
Seat: 6 drgoober ($7.55)
Dealt to Hero

Preflop (Pot:0.07)
RAISE drgoober $0.15
FOLD flip chicken
FOLD xdizzyxx
FOLD gnobbern
CALL Hero$0.1

Flop(Pot: $0.32)

CHECK Hero
BET drgoober $0.2
CALL Hero$0.2

Turn(Pot: $0.72)

CHECK Hero
BET drgoober $0.45
RAISE Hero$1.4
CALL drgoober $0.95

River(Pot: $3.52)

ALL-IN Hero
CALL drgoober $2.91
ShowDown:
SHOWS Hero

SHOWS drgoober

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You where going to fold your hand when your hand improved?... I think your telling a fib or two there. The bet on the flop by villain was not aggressive at all, he was trapping waiting for you to raise. You got played/trapped good and proper.. the end.

Yeah. I'd called PF with 99 gettin 2-1 odds isnt bad.

Shitty flop tho. U either fold bcos that K or 6 or even TT, JJ etc beats u OOOOR u shud of re-raise him to see if he was jus tryin a c/bet steal. If he calls/shove then it's a easy fold.

Don't understand y u jus call on the flop as a plan? As of the turn well...thats jus nasty but meh sh!t happens!

I would reraise it PF.

99 OOP against an UG raise.

Id want thim to have a large EP PFR% anda high PF calling %

Flop.. id bet it.. dont really even need to look at what it is. If I 3-bet then im betting 1/2 pot on the flop. If he calls, I think he has a K (KK, AK... athough a rereaise is more common PF, KQ KJ KT and maybe A6 if he is INCREDABLY loose)

Turn.

From here on you have the second FH. I think his range is probably high enough to include hands other than KK, but not with the betting you offer.

Right now we have him on 2 pair or longshot trips or longshot KK FH. I think the check raise is way too strong a bet. I think a smaller donk bet allowing him to think you are stealing would be better (maybe around 60c)

River

Again, a 1/2 pot bet here, if he reraises then its a snap call.. but your heavy betting may make him think twice about his Kx hands, he may feel he is out kickered.

Result.... I think with the betting being so heavy, KK was quite likely on the river. Had the betting been a bit lighter then more Kx hands could have easily remained in the hand and thus you would be ahead more.

Obviously he either has KK or he dosnt, but in the LR we aren't really interested with that.

TheseNutsWin said:

I could not put this guy on pocket KK after his raise on the flop..

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Why? The preflop action was that he raised from EP, you called. How does this allow you to remove KK from his range? This is why 3-bets are useful. If he calls then you can usually remove AA, KK, AK QQ sometimes JJ.

If he re-raises then you have to think TT+ AK, AQ?

TheseNutsWin said:

I mean how many players will CBET in the position with a Full house on the flop? He played it so aggressive that i got fooled..

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He has a monster. One of two things is going to happen if he c-bets. You will either call or fold!! Whats working in his favour is that it may be interpreted as a c-bet bluff.

The K on the board means that you either fear it or you don't. If you fear it now, you will probably fear it on the turn too.. so checking the flop and betting the turn will probably cause you to fold unless you currently have a hand which you are willing to call a bet with if you don't fear a K.

So his goal here is to make a big pot (or the biggest small pot possible) so he needs to bet, and he bets a half pot because its very callable.

On the turn he does exactly the same thing, he bets small.. you re-raise.. he doesn't go nuts and hit all-in, he simply calls and lets you 'out play' him on the river,

Had you checked the river.. expect another 1/2 size (callable) river bet.

TheseNutsWin said:

i wasn't going to fold this hand after the turn anyway but still.. im just surprised by his play on the flop...

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No, but I think the betting was incorrect. This was definitely a showdown hand.. but an all-in hand.. I think you would induce more folds than calls with that line of betting. Why fold out people with the best hand? Surely you want to give them bets which they can more easily call.

I'm in favour of a preflop reraise too. You have a big hand that doesn't like a lot of flops that will come.. and you're out of position... you want to be able to narrow his range or even take it down without seeing a flop.

If he reraises the flop, you can think about playing for set value if possible, or if he reraises you all-in it makes your decision pretty easy usually. At the very least you'll be able to put him on a range of cards and you'll have a better idea of how to play if a high flop comes.

If you reraised PF and he just called, then i'd be firing on the flop. If he's smart enough to just smooth call then, you'll still be in big trouble when you turn the 9 I think.

Just saying, reraising preflop allows you to narrow his range down or even get out of the hand preflop if he puts you all-in there and then. Plus, if he calls (and doesn't have a hand like KK) you can semi-bluff your 9's when an overcard flops and still be a chance to take it down. If you c-bet out at him and he's still interested, you can slow down and reassess.

Having said all that, it's still a bad situation to get into.. but without reraising pf, you don't force him to define his hand, especailly playing 6-max his pf raising range from here could be pretty wide. Calling preflop makes it very hard to give him credit for KK later on.