$5 NLHE 6-max: Slow down on the river?

This is a spot where I have found myself quite often, when I feel I have the best hand, then a draw completes on the river (edit: draw actually completes on the turn, but river card makes it more likely he has hit it), so what is my best line to take? If I check I feel I am going to have to fold to any bet.


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 28)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 7)
SB: 184.4 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 123.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 147.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:club: K:diamond:

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (18.4 BB, 2 players) 4:spade: 8:club: J:club:
Hero bets 13 BB, CO calls 13 BB

Turn: (44.4 BB, 2 players) Q:spade:
Hero bets 32 BB, CO calls 32 BB

River: (108.4 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:
Hero bets 46 BB and is all-in, CO calls 46 BB

One thing. When you are in SB or BB make the 3-bet bigger to compensate the fact that you are OOP. Like 11 BB.

bigger pre, slow down on the turn vs a nit.. basically his whole flatting range here has a set bar TT

we should probably check turn and be folding vs 2 barrels on brick rivers.

on this run out we're turning our KK into a bluff, dunno if the nit folds sets often enough but we're never getting called by worse so we have to be bluffing right?

More preflop because you are OOP. Other than that, bleh, wouldn't worry about it too much. Nit's gonna hit their sets sometimes. This is also NL5 though so God knows what other retarded stuff they could be calling down with.

^ 14/11 at 6max, folds AJ on turns so his turn range to call a bet is pretty much exactly 88/JJ/QQ/AA if he's bad enough to not 4bet it

Raising bigger pre cos we're OOP isn't necessary, 3x is fine. You played it fine, just check fold river. Some hands check behind us and we take it down.

Bet or raise big so that you will not create a situation where he will be

committed to call because of pot odds on later streets.

akaRobbo said:

Raising bigger pre cos we're OOP isn't necessary, 3x is fine. You played it fine, just check fold river. Some hands check behind us and we take it down.

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Yes it is.

akaRobbo said:

Raising bigger pre cos we're OOP isn't necessary, 3x is fine. You played it fine, just check fold river. Some hands check behind us and we take it down.

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you're actually awful, why do you even give advice

I'd bet a little smaller on the turn and c/f the river versus this kind of opponent. They aren't calling with worse with those kinds of stats.

3x is fine pre. Don't listen to them

OMGITSOVER9K said:

^ 14/11 at 6max, folds AJ on turns so his turn range to call a bet is pretty much exactly 88/JJ/QQ/AA if he's bad enough to not 4bet it

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14/11 after 28 hands. Meaningless sample to which you base your advice on

OMGITSOVER9K said:

you're actually awful, why do you even give advice

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Why are you mad? Did you have another losing session? What stakes do you play genius?

akaRobbo said:

Why are you mad? Did you have another losing session? What stakes do you play genius?

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because all I ever see from you is bad advice, you're a joke

if you wanna play awful then go do that, but telling other people how to play shit is bad for the forum honestly

akaRobbo said:

14/11 after 28 hands. Meaningless sample to which you base your advice on

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if he's a 14/11 now he's not gonna suddenly be a 38/32 in a 100 hands time, its pretty clear he's a nit

legit question, why don't you go back to being a lurker, you're not helpful at all

OMGITSOVER9K said:

if he's a 14/11 now he's not gonna suddenly be a 38/32 in a 100 hands time, its pretty clear he's a nit

legit question, why don't you go back to being a lurker, you're not helpful at all

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Yeah of course he's a nit... After that sample... Lmao you're bad yourself, look at what you're saying. You worked out a range which is totally pointless, he could easy be tag. Take a look at your own advice and the way you present yourself, you're an embarrassment.

akaRobbo said:

Yeah of course he's a nit... After that sample... Lmao you're bad yourself, look at what you're saying. You worked out a range which is totally pointless, he could easy be tag. Take a look at your own advice and the way you present yourself, you're an embarrassment.

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..yeah, i'm an embarrassment. alright then.

explain how my range is pointless?

you have no clue what you're saying, but keep throwing out random insults to make yourself feel better.

actually, go do some poker work and improve instead of spewing off random shit to people who want to learn.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

..yeah, i'm an embarrassment. alright then.

explain how my range is pointless?

you have no clue what you're saying, but keep throwing out random insults to make yourself feel better.

actually, go do some poker work and improve instead of spewing off random shit to people who want to learn.

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Yeah you are embarrassing haha. You care that much about other peoples opinions on a poker forum, that you feel the need to call them terrible and to tell them to stop? You need a life mate. Are you trying to be a mod to this site or something? You must be a really good player though I guess, I'll go away and study like you told me too ? What is that avatar btw, you into your cartoons pahahha? I'm done. Please keep wasting your time replying to me

akaRobbo said:

Yeah you are embarrassing haha. You care that much about other peoples opinions on a poker forum, that you feel the need to call them terrible and to tell them to stop? You need a life mate. Are you trying to be a mod to this site or something? You must be a really good player though I guess, I'll go away and study like you told me too ? What is that avatar btw, you into your cartoons pahahha? I'm done. Please keep wasting your time replying to me

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you have a picture of Luke Schwartz and you're insulting my picture. Actually who insults peoples pictures how old are you?

but yeah, i'm gonna call people out when they give bad advice to newer players, and i'm 99.99% sure i'd never get made a mod on this forum.

but yeah, come at me with the all the stereotypical insults, you're actually a legit joke

OMGITSOVER9K said:

you have a picture of Luke Schwartz and you're insulting my picture. Actually who insults peoples pictures how old are you?

but yeah, i'm gonna call people out when they give bad advice to newer players, and i'm 99.99% sure i'd never get made a mod on this forum.

but yeah, come at me with the all the stereotypical insults, you're actually a legit joke

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Yeah, luke Schwartz. A poker player. On a poker forum avatar. You have a cartoon character, you're cool.

I'm all for questioning peoples advice and stuff but there's the right way to do it. You seem to lack people skills probably cos you stay inside all day watching cartoons and playing online poker. So yeah mod status will probably never happen for you.

Say "but yeah" once more for me please?

I knew you had no life, thanks for replying and confirming it . Keep feeding me

so, I call you out because you're bad at poker on a poker forum. You insult my avatar?

'but yeah' seriously, stick to the subject or stop wasting my time.

Enough with the arguing. If you have nothing more to add to the hand this is the wrong thread for you.

As to the hand, more pre (~12bb) and smaller on the turn too. River is probably a ch/fold.

Pretty sure you aren't allowed to insult other members on here....

But anyway, not sure how people play at .05 NL on poker stars, but at least where I play he could have a bit more than the ranges previously posted. is one possibility, might call a 3 bet in position (you only have a few hands on him, right?) Then again I'm a pretty bad player myself, so take this with a grain of salt.

A lot of criticism is put to your preflop play, sure, raising bigger is better but that's not the main mistake in the hand.

AQs seems more likely to call a 3bet than 88. TT, JJ, QQ are also in Villains range, as previously stated. Other hands are AK, and yea, some 88s and 99s occasionally (since we dont know opp that well)

But on the flop you can remove a lot of those hands. If he thought you were 3 betting light, he would 4 bet pre, or raise flop. So opponent knows you have a hand, and to flat you he must have a hand himself. This makes a flopped set of Jacks likely, or another over pair such as QQ. TT would have a shyte 3 straight, and would have to proceed cautiously, or exert some aggression rather than playing passively.

River is certainly a check/fold, but Turn you'd have to think that you are betting for value against AJ (very unlikely) and AQ (only one hand). Maybe consider checking here and reacting to your opponent. You certainly cant bluff, since no better hand would fold, so think about what hands are good enough to call, yet are still beaten by a pair of kings.

Hope thi what somewhat useful OP