$5 NLHE 6-max: Is this shove good or am I still a maniac?

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iPoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 106 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, hands: 28)
SB: 68 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
BB: 156.4 BB (VPIP: 7.14, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (UTG): 113 BB
CO: 88.8 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T:heart: T:diamond:

Hero raises to 4 BB, CO raises to 7 BB, fold, SB calls 6.6 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, SB calls 7 BB

Flop: (36 BB, 2 players) 2:spade: 8:diamond: A:club:
SB checks, Hero bets 55.2 BB, SB calls 54 BB and is all in


The 4bet against the CO preflop was pretty rough, but i figured he had a wide 3bet range and was either folding here or calling. if he's calling then he has me beat. If he calls here then im giving up the hand and folding to any aggression from CO.

That leaves just the calling station in the SB

Calling station is calling preflop with nearly any two cards
 
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He might be calling Preflop with ATC, but is he calling an overbet for his stack with anything worse than an ace here? I don't think so. With a low SPR you're quite likely to auto stack off but I don't like this. You're making worse fold and ace rag is likely something he'd call with if he's that fishy.
 
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yeah I really don't like the flop shove. It's pretty damn horrible actually.

Like Jreece18 said: you're either way ahead or way behind on the flop.
 
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Even if you got some reads on your opp flop shove not a good idea, better look more streets, on this dry board.
 
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Congratulations, you just ensured that he's folding everything you beat, but calling with everything that beats you.

You might want to see a cheap showdown, instead...
 
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IMHO:
open 3bb, no need to open 4bb
4bet way bigger, you have 3bet and a call and betting the double of his 3bet which is aslo story for itself, not to mention him folding to the 4bet with such great odds, anyway back to you, 4bet 20-25bb, why are you giving such great odds to setimine or call with suited connectors.
would really tempted to cbet here, have been betting almost every time here but if we look at what worse can call or what better would fold we can see that we are not betting for value nor we could possibly bluff any stronger hand that our, collection of a dead money can be an idea here but i would rather bet to collect dead money with lot weaker hand that this cuy we are we still have showdown value, i would rather check back flop, probably let his range to be wide and let him try to bluff me out of the hand and go to calling mode. if he check turn we can fire and check back river...
 
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Your sizing is a bit off. Typically an open is to 3bb, 4bb is fine of course but you're already going to get a stronger range to call. Your 4bet is pretty small. You should be betting closer to 20-22bb. Villain's 3 bet was pretty small as well but don't play to their sizing , keep yours constant.

As played shoving that flop is pretty bad. Most calling stations are playing every ace they see. Also it's really dry so what are you expecting to win by shoving here? Either they've got it (calling and fist pump) or they fold and save a ton of blinds by not being drawn in by better bet sizing.
 
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I think i wanted him to fold on the flop because i didn't want him to draw a pair of kings/queens/jacks which make up a large part of his range. I don't know how to make a calling station fold, but apparently shoving isn't it...

He called with 10♣ 8♣ and turn and river were 8:spade: A:spade:

I died a little inside when i saw that 8 come down on the turn... he definitely paid way too much for it, so there's that. idk
 
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I think i wanted him to fold on the flop because i didn't want him to draw a pair of kings/queens/jacks which make up a large part of his range. I don't know how to make a calling station fold, but apparently shoving isn't it...

He called with 10♣ 8♣ and turn and river were 8<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font>

I died a little inside when i saw that 8 come down on the turn... he definitely paid way too much for it, so there's that. idk

Do your best not to play scared poker. In this spot with 1010utg with a calling station who called a 4 bet, you're not holding a strong enough hand to value bet every street. There will be other times where the flop is in your favour and if they're willing to stack off against you, then that's the time to take advantage of their bad habits. If your concerned they may pair a K, Q, or J then shouldn't you be worried they already paired with the Ace? Try not to rush your decisions. Take your time dude. Gooooosefraba......

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Do your best not to play scared poker. In this spot with 1010utg with a calling station who called a 4 bet, you're not holding a strong enough hand to value bet every street. There will be other times where the flop is in your favour and if they're willing to stack off against you, then that's the time to take advantage of their bad habits. If your concerned they may pair a K, Q, or J then shouldn't you be worried they already paired with the Ace? Try not to rush your decisions. Take your time dude. Gooooosefraba......

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thanks for putting that in perspective for me. i guess that was foolish of me to be worried about the other over cards and not worried about the ace.

great advise :]


on a side note: just had my biggest downswing yet (8 BI), probably a combination of runbad, tilt, and playbad. (more the last two than the first one) but had a good session this morning, hit a massive heater and recovered 2 BI. hope to recover another 2 BI by the weekend. Thank god for proper BRM.
 
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