$5 NLHE 6-max: Shove boat on turn?

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roddy1977

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Should I be happy to get all the money in on the turn, or should the BB's raise cause me to consider slowing down? Would he have and raise here with trip Aces or a flush (ie hands that I beat) enough times for me not to worry about him having AJ or JJ? I have no stats on him.

pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Converted at http://www.handhistoryconverter.com

Hero (Button) ($11.64)
SB ($5.12)
BB ($10.21)
UTG ($5.11)
MP ($11.77)
CO ($5.09)

Preflop: Hero is Button with As, 2s
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.32, Hero calls $0.22

Flop: ($0.66) Ad, Jh, Ah (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.66) 2h (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $2.80

Hero?
 
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4-bet or fold preflop. Calling is pretty bad.

Since you ginned the turn, ship it in.
 
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I wouldn't worry about JJ since you beat that hand... AAA22 > JJJAA. If you lose to AJ here it was just a cooler.

I think the best play is to call the raise and jam the river when your opponent bets again - most players aren't check-raising the turn and not betting the river here.

Good luck to you! :D
 
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Should I be happy to get all the money in on the turn, or should the BB's raise cause me to consider slowing down? Would he have and raise here with trip Aces or a flush (ie hands that I beat) enough times for me not to worry about him having AJ or JJ? I have no stats on him.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Converted at http://www.handhistoryconverter.com

Hero (Button) ($11.64)
SB ($5.12)
BB ($10.21)
UTG ($5.11)
MP ($11.77)
CO ($5.09)

Preflop: Hero is Button with As, 2s
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.32, Hero calls $0.22

Flop: ($0.66) Ad, Jh, Ah (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.66) 2h (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $2.80

Hero?

With the raise he is committed-time to ship it in and hope he has an ace/flush. I think AJ just calls the turn and raises the river because he has the the board locked down while JJ can play it that way but you beat JJ my dude so no worries on that one:). Not much more to do on this one
 
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Would you explain why?
Because A2s is going to hit too few flops. And when you do hit an A, you're only getting action when you're out-kicked.

A 4-bet is okay, since you're rebluffing your opponent. But the default play should be to fold.
 
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I'm not a fan of the call pre either, but with hero and villain 200bb deep its not terrible.

Personally I'd just flat in this spot and keep villains bluffs in, then ship the river if villain bets.
 
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Thanks for the input, guys. Yeah, not sure why I was worried about JJ, as I'm only behind to AJ (as has been mentioned)!! Yeah, definite cooler this one, I shoved the turn following villain's raise and he turned over AJ. I guess the thing I struggle with at times is knowing when to fold the 2nd or 3rd nuts in a deep stacked situation. Not sure how many players at 5NL Zoom when deep stacked will commit their entire stack with anything less than the nuts or close to it - which means the 2nd or 3rd nuts might not be good enough to automatically commit with. Though not sure in this example if I could've got away from my hand.
 
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Originally Posted by c9h13no3
4-bet or fold preflop. Calling is pretty bad.

Since you ginned the turn, ship it in.


Yeah, I agree, calling isn't great - I certainly wouldn't flat with standard stack sizes, but with the deeper stacks it made more sense.


Also, not sure without any information on the villain (such as a high 3bet%) if 4bet bluffing is a good idea? Is it generally +ev on the button to 4bet bluff a 3bet from the blinds vs an unknown villain? Surely if it was there'd be a lot more 4betting? :)
 
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