$5 NLHE 6-max: Set on drawy board

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 150.8 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, hands: 31)
SB: 50 BB (VPIP: 35.42, PFR: 28.41, 3Bet Preflop: 2.73, Hands: 281)
BB: 60 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 117.8 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
CO: 195.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6:heart: 6:diamond:

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 8:heart: 6:club: 7:spade:
Hero checks, MP bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 17.6 BB, MP calls 12.6 BB

Turn: (42.6 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
Hero bets size?????
79.4 BB and is all-in.
 
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Why are u jamming almost 80BB into a pot of about 43BB. You don't want him folding his draws... If he continues he will miss like more than 70% of the time so him calling will be +EV over infinite sample size. As for your sizing... I'm probably firing about 25-30BB on the turn... Bet just enough to keep the draws in...

If your logic with this bet was... "I'm betting because I'm afraid of his draw" don't think like that. More often than not he misses his draw and you want as much out of him before the river comes and his hand is valueless

Also... He doesn't have that many flush draw combos. If he has a flush draw AND a straight draw, he will most likely wanna get it in.
 
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He doesn't seem like an ultra fish, so bet smaller on the turn to about 24bbs and hope he will use the A as a bluff card, or not be scared off with his other high pairs. Easy game.
 
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John A said:
He doesn't seem like an ultra fish, so bet smaller on the turn to about 24bbs and hope he will use the A as a bluff card, or not be scared off with his other high pairs. Easy game.
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There are so many cards on the river that would kill the action,like 4,5,9,T.

Dont you think a big bet on the turn here is a good idea? Ok not shoving,, but a close to pot sized bet looks really good to me on this super draw heavy board. Am i wrong?
 
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vinylspiros said:
There are so many cards on the river that would kill the action,like 4,5,9,T.

Dont you think a big bet on the turn here is a good idea? Ok not shoving,, but a close to pot sized bet looks really good to me on this super draw heavy board. Am i wrong?
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Yeah... Close to pot would work also... It's kind of a personal preference. I 2/3 the pot. But u could pot size also, but ur at a risk the draws will fold
 
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Forgive me if my advice isn't perfect but I'm still learning at 4&5NL myself.

Surely we are getting value from his draws then we want to give him"appealing" but incorrect pot odds, say like 1/2 or 2/3 pot sized bet? This could make him think he has the implied odds to call to hit his draws, thinking because you continue to bet you must have a strong hand, but making his hand would put him ahead. A pot size bet would scare him off and kill your action imo, he won't call with his draws.

I think this is a 1/2 pot or 2/3 pot bet, as long as you can be disciplined enough to c/f to a scare card. you never know, it might also be a scare card for him with say bottom set or two pair so you still have the chance he may check back if the scare card does hit.

Anyone else agree?
 
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MBJ_UK said:
Forgive me if my advice isn't perfect but I'm still learning at 4&5NL myself.

Surely we are getting value from his draws then we want to give him"appealing" but incorrect pot odds, say like 1/2 or 2/3 pot sized bet? This could make him think he has the implied odds to call to hit his draws, thinking because you continue to bet you must have a strong hand, but making his hand would put him ahead. A pot size bet would scare him off and kill your action imo, he won't call with his draws.

I think this is a 1/2 pot or 2/3 pot bet, as long as you can be disciplined enough to c/f to a scare card. you never know, it might also be a scare card for him with say bottom set or two pair so you still have the chance he may check back if the scare card does hit.

Anyone else agree?
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I think on this turn with the board as dangerous as it is that we wouldn't mind a fold .

This could be totally wrong but if hes gonna chase hes gonna chase and you do want to give him the right price but you also dont want to allow him to hit his draw for free.

The pot is already inflated as it is,so betting bigger would either get him to fold(which wouldn't be the worse thing in the world, would it?) or would allow us to get maximum value from his drawing hands while protecting our hand at the same time.


am i talking crazy?
 
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vinylspiros said:
I think on this turn with the board as dangerous as it is that we wouldn't mind a fold .

This could be totally wrong but if hes gonna chase hes gonna chase and you do want to give him the right price but you also dont want to allow him to hit his draw for free.

The pot is already inflated as it is,so betting bigger would either get him to fold(which wouldn't be the worse thing in the world, would it?) or would allow us to get maximum value from his drawing hands while protecting our hand at the same time.


am i talking crazy?
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Fair enough I think this makes complete sense :)
 
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