$5 NLHE 6-max: Rush NL5 AJs Turn AI

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Hello.
Was the turn AI the right move?

Full Tilt - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $5.09 (VPIP: 20.30, PFR: 13.65, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, hands: 274)
CO: $4.11 (VPIP: 25.87, PFR: 17.27, 3Bet Preflop: 5.78, Hands: 1,972)
BTN: $9.50 (VPIP: 24.85, PFR: 19.18, 3Bet Preflop: 4.19, Hands: 503)
SB: $5.91 (VPIP: 32.17, PFR: 24.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 118)
BB: $5.58 (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 11.70, 3Bet Preflop: 2.30, Hands: 1,302)
Hero (UTG): $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J:heart: A:heart:

Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.67, fold, BB calls $0.62, Hero calls $0.47

Flop: ($2.03, 3 players) 6:heart: Q:spade: A:diamond:
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.36, fold, Hero calls $1.36

Turn: ($4.75, 2 players) 9:heart:
Hero bets $2.97 and is all-in, BTN calls $2.97

River: ($10.69, 2 players) 7:club:

Hero shows J:heart: A:heart: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 32%, Flop 6%, Turn 18%)
BTN shows Q:club: Q:heart: (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 68%, Flop 94%, Turn 82%)
BTN wins $10.07
 
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wow nice hand;
Maybe it was unnecessary to raise 4 pot size, you are representing strong hand, and his re-raise 0.67, he is super strong.
Okay check on flop, and after his bet you called, that is the spot where you could save your chips, after 9h on turn, it was destined for you to lose all, maybe you could just check ater turn card, but yeah he would go your all in anyway so yeap, only very tight and scared player can fold on flop.
I would lose all too.
 
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I dont like c3b OOP in general and also in this case, AJs is crushed by regs value 3bet range specially this one who have 4,5 3b and most probably dont even have bluffs in it, (this is how it looks 4,5% 99+, AJs+, AKo) on a A high flop even if he dont have an A which he will have in half of the time cuz half of the range are big aces he will cbet 1/2 pot to fold your pockets that wanted to setmine but here he huge value bet, im not saying i probably couldnt let it go too if i was in the same position, thus i wouldnt want to be in that position thus i wont call 3bets OOP specially against such tight 3bettor.
I dont like snap jam turn, what possibly he can have that would call and that you beat? Hope im wrong, and i see that he called and saw nice "hand hand" comment so i hope that he called KK or some random AT but i dont see him calling with worse, ill look at the spoiler after i post
 
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Fold pre - look how tight he is preflop (3bet) over a good size of hands. You're crushed by his range.. Calling 3bets OOP should also be limited in general, but in this situation, AJs is even a fold IP imo.
 
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couple things

1) would consider folding or maybe 4b Pre against this guys 3bet range- your are 35% against it (99+, AQs+, Ako vs AJs)

2) maybe consider donking flop- folding out 99 1010 JJ. maybe check call.

3) I would check fold turn try to get to showdown. Not beating anything and often not getting the right price to draw to the flush.- if you are you can check call. Flush draw you need at least 4 to 1 on turn plus some two or three outs might be durty against AA or QQ.
 
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I don't play zoom so this might not be the best advice. Having said that, when BB comes along pre I think a call with AJs is fine. If it were just a button 3bet (a big 3bet at that) against AJs it's a fast fold. As played, check call the flop, check call the turn and check/fold the river. My question is, after villain raised so much pre, what were you hoping villain was going to do when you shoved?
 
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Fold pre... and why bomb the turn? Just check/call and allow your opponent to make the mistake instead forcing them to play perfect when you have a mediocre hand at best in this spot.
 
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I don't play zoom so this might not be the best advice. Having said that, when BB comes along pre I think a call with AJs is fine. If it were just a button 3bet (a big 3bet at that) against AJs it's a fast fold. As played, check call the flop, check call the turn and check/fold the river. My question is, after villain raised so much pre, what were you hoping villain was going to do when you shoved?

No.. you have a likely tight 3-bettor and you'll be in a sandwiched position pre-flop. BB cold calling just makes it even more obvious you should be folding vs. those two ranges.
 
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No.. you have a likely tight 3-bettor and you'll be in a sandwiched position pre-flop. BB cold calling just makes it even more obvious you should be folding vs. those two ranges.

Ya I was wondering about that considering it is zoom. I just figured you're getting pretty decent odds pre. Only having to call 9.5bb to see a pot of 31bb. If it was just UTG vs button I would have folded AJs. Is zoom that tight?
 
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Ya I was wondering about that considering it is zoom. I just figured you're getting pretty decent odds pre. Only having to call 9.5bb to see a pot of 31bb. If it was just UTG vs button I would have folded AJs. Is zoom that tight?
Your immediate preflop odds (9.5 into 31) don't really matter. What matters is that you're playing a potentially large pot with an easily dominated hand. The 50-100 blinds you lose in pots where you're crushed matters way more than the 9.5 bb entry fee.
 
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Your immediate preflop odds (9.5 into 31) don't really matter. What matters is that you're playing a potentially large pot with an easily dominated hand. The 50-100 blinds you lose in pots where you're crushed matters way more than the 9.5 bb entry fee.

This goes back to my question about how tight is zoom? With BB only calling a 3.35x raise do we really see them dominating us? If so, what's our flatting range? 4bet AA, KK, flat AQs+, QQ? What's our 4bet bluffing range? Like I say I don't play zoom and AJs would be right at the very bottom but..... Really? That tight?
 
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BB doesn't matter, look at the BTN.
 
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Ya I was wondering about that considering it is zoom. I just figured you're getting pretty decent odds pre. Only having to call 9.5bb to see a pot of 31bb. If it was just UTG vs button I would have folded AJs. Is zoom that tight?

I think I'll just post my blog links to all of the HH's in here from now on since I've blogged about all of these situations ad nauseam at some point. :) :)

http://www.acepokersolutions.com/poker-blog/youre-playing-no-limit-not-limit-holdem/
 
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Eventually it'll sink in :eek:

I think you're playing great poker. It's just a process, and we have to remind ourselves to keep it fun.

Not everyone on the forum reads my blog though. Why, I don't know. lol I'm kidding... there's a lot of material out there. It's hard to know what's good or not, and I'm not a tournament player that's been on TV, so what do I know?
 
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