re: Poker & $5 NLHE 6-max: Right to check the river with K high flush?
Originally Posted by Matthew Southall
EDIT: I think I know why you called preflop. Your logic was probably something along the lines of "I've already thrown 1bb out there, it's only 2bb more to call and there'll be almost 7bb in the pot". But this is actually a really destructive mentality to have. As tempting as it may be to call, you need to be folding your blinds a lot more. It's actually better to invest 3bb from the BTN (calling in position) than to call 2bb from the BB, because your postflop advantage from playing in position will be worth far more than the extra 1bb you had to spend. So practice folding your blinds more and playing your BTN more. Position really matters. Being out of position makes life a lot more difficult for you.
I like this. Very well said.
Originally Posted by mbrenneman0
So you guys think he's checking behind with a flush or straight? I think he's betting with a wider range than he's calling with. I even have a hard time seeing him call with a low flush if I bet here.
I do agree though, fold pre is probably best. But I was actually folding way more hands from the blinds than I usually do. This hand was kind of the exception. I think it was that my image was kind of tight and wanted to get a looser image, but I can't remember exactly why I played it.
Why do you want a looser image? Why would you choose to make an exception with this hand, K-4o?
At these stakes, we don't need to worry too much about image, balancing ranges, your 3b ranges, blah blah. Most of the players are not going to be strong players. Simple ABC fundamental poker is more than enough to beat this game. But you must have the discipline to play proper, correct, fundamentally sound poker.
I have been working at this for years. Poker takes a ton of patience and discipline. Ego should be checked at the door. Make good decisions, time and time again, and you will be rewarded over the long term with profit.
K-4o is a terrible hand, it's hardly ever going to flop well (like almost never).
If you have holdem manager 2, or poker tracker 4, you could actually look up your win/loss record from blinds. If you did this, you would realize that everyone
loses from the blinds. This is why you must play tight from them, so we can minimize the inevitable losses that we face from the blinds.
You shouldn't be calling with very much from the blinds. Hands to play are PPS (to set-mine), and premiums that you expect to be ahead of whatever V is raising with. But in general, we should always be very conservative from the blinds. You shouldn't be completing even SB with anything less than premiums or PPs.
I don't care what the price is. If UTG opens to 3x, and every player calls to you in the BB, you still shouldn't be calling unless you have a good hand (and in that case, perhaps 3b is in order, based on game dynamics).
And no, V is not betting BS, weak flushes, sets, 2p very often on this river. He will look to make it to SD cheap with most of what we are beating. But he will call to bluff-catch. He will call with inferior flushes, sets, 2p maybe even, if you bet smallish.
You played this hand super passive. Now you actually rivered a good hand, and you don't even bet when you get there? You need to get some value. I don't care how you got there, bet river. Fold to a raise.
I would recommend you get or make a starting hand chart. Follow this chart, no matter what, at least for a while. If you can't even stick to strict starting hand requirements, your game and discipline need work.
I am not one for 6-max, but full ring, I can list some raising ranges...
EP 10-10+, A-Qs+
MP 10-10+, A-Js+, A-Qo+, K-Qs+
LP 8-8+, A2-A5s, A-10+, A-10s+, K-Qo, K-Jo, 8-9s+ (for SCs), and suited gappers J-9s+
Super tight, but it's for full ring. Make yourself something like this for 6-max, and stick to it. As your game improves, add more hands (in LP first). We play ultra nit mode until we see some success. Then we start opening range, a little at a time.
One key point I feel like I should hammer home:
Position is everything. Position is very important. Stop playing loose when OOP.