$5 NLHE 6-max: Representing a set

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5NL 6-max zoom on pokerstars. Villain is unknown.

BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $5.41
BB: $5.00
UTG: $5.00
MP: $5.55
CO: $21.80

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with Q:diamond: K:diamond:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.50) 2:diamond: 3:club: 9:diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.45, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.40) 7:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.10, Hero raises to $2.75

What do you think about the way I played this hand? My logic was that this looks exactly like I have a set and that the villain should fold some overpairs here. Villain looks like a reg (judging from his stack size) and thus I assumed that he'd be thinking about my range and thinking about the fact that I would be unlikely to play this way with a flush draw, and thus I felt like this bluff should work against him. I also felt that in the event that the villain doesn't fold his overpairs, I would be more likely to get paid off for making a flush this way, since the villain would find it difficult to put me on a flush draw. Thoughts?
 
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If he folds, then your plan worked. If he doesent, then it did not.

I dont think you can see him as a reg due to stack size alone. I have seen players who cannot fold at all build massive stacks simply because they CANNOT fold, and hit 3-4 time in hands they play.

C/R is often a semi bluff here for exactly the reasons you show. AKs (and KQs as well..lol) will play this way, sets and other overpairs.

Without reads it is risky, but then again, I know a lot of players who take this line of aggression, so I guess it is a matter of playing style.

So, to sum up: I think it is a risky but justifiable play. If he jams, then it is a matter of math. You have to pay $2 to win apx. 10 (IDK how much rake is taken) so 5:1 pot odds, and you have 9 outs vs his range. You may have some high card outs as well. A small amount of counterfeited outs if he has exactly Axs, but this will be a small part. I havent done the math, but I am assuming you must call if he jams and be a dog.??

High variance poker.
 
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It's fine.
I prefer to do this on the flop since our equity is higher, but then issues arise on the turn if we don't improve.

I also prefer to have at least some sort of read that villain isn't a calling station first, so an unknown might not be the best target. But this is still fine.
 
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It's fine.
..., but then issues arise on the turn if we don't improve.

That's what I have in mind in these situations. Quite often villian does not fold and beats me with A9 on such a board.

quote: "My logic was that this looks exactly like I have a set"
Possible. But also possible that he puts you on A9, TT, QQ and acts accordingly or he just does not believe you.

We have informations about him:
Looking at his stack I would say he took a few right decisions in that session already. 90% c-bet on the flop, 2/3 bet on the turn. 2 strong messages and Hero has nothing (but a draw). I would be out at that point.

I'm curious to see the result....
 
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I think your line is fine here since you're raising a draw plus repping a potential set but villain may take this as 1010, JJ as well.

The only thing I'm concerned about is you're trying it against an unknown. I won't play zoom until I move up a bit since for me it just seems like a faster way to lose money. At these stakes most people play only monsters and forget where the fold button is.
 
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I surely hope that x/r worked but i highly doubt that you will get enough folds to make this a profitable move. I dont think that we need this turn x/r bluffs to beat the stake and i really dont think that average reg at 5nl would fold OP there and i would definitely avoid doing this without actual info that he can let go OP here...

I wonder could we try to do the math here and see is the move profitable or not, i might try to do it if i dont fall a sleep...
 
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I surely hope that x/r worked but i highly doubt that you will get enough folds to make this a profitable move. I dont think that we need this turn x/r bluffs to beat the stake and i really dont think that average reg at 5nl would fold OP there and i would definitely avoid doing this without actual info that he can let go OP here...

I wonder could we try to do the math here and see is the move profitable or not, i might try to do it if i dont fall a sleep...

Well said, no need to try and rep a super thin range at a stake where people may not even be thinking about your holding. The other big problem here is that there is nothing else we rep besides a set when we raise, no 2 pair combos, no straights, we are basically repping a set or draw.

I also think I prefer to squeeze or fold out of the SB pre and I prefer squeezing>folding
 
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Ultimately, the villain folded and hero won the pot, so the semi-bluff worked this time.

I am curious what everyone has to say about squeezing vs calling preflop. I will typically squeeze hands which play poorly in multiway pots (eg. AJo-AKo, KQo, JJ+, a few bluffs like A4o) and I'll typically flat-call with hands that play well in multiway pots (eg. suited connectors, low to medium pocket pairs, suited Aces). So that was my logic for flat-calling with KQs. Thoughts?
 
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Ultimately, the villain folded and hero won the pot, so the semi-bluff worked this time.

I am curious what everyone has to say about squeezing vs calling preflop. I will typically squeeze hands which play poorly in multiway pots (eg. AJo-AKo, KQo, JJ+, a few bluffs like A4o) and I'll typically flat-call with hands that play well in multiway pots (eg. suited connectors, low to medium pocket pairs, suited Aces). So that was my logic for flat-calling with KQs. Thoughts?


The way you explain it here makes sense. But I think playing MW pots, especially OOP, will be easier with reads, which you cannot have at zoom. Just taking it down OR having more credibility to c/r or float OTF or even donk (which will be real dependant on the flop since you have no reads) because you may be MW (if your squeeze gets a fold) and OOP, so IMHO there is a lot to be said for squeezing here.

I dont play zoom, and your point above is also valid.
 
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why not raise on the flop, when you have an equity edge?
 
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