$5 NLHE 6-max: quads, played babdly I think

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$5 NL HE 6-max: quads, played babdly I think

Kind of a nitty player, no HUD so no stats- sorry, but seems to check down a lot of hands and doesn't bet with much. I'm pretty sure I could not have played this hand much worse tbh- as far as value extraction goes. On the flop I was hoping to c/r but probably should have chucked out a cbet.- additionally I have been running so bad in 6-max that I hardly know what to do with myself, but hopefully it will come along.

Stacks:

* UTG with $5.18
* MP with $5.62
* BTN with $3.47
* Hero with $5.11
* BB with $0.95

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to Hero:Q♥ K♦
* * Sklansky group 4
Preflop:
* * UTG calls [$0.05]
* * 2 players fold.
Hero raises to $0.20
* * 1 players fold.
* * UTG calls [$0.15]
* * Total folds this street: 3
* * Potsize: $0.45
Flop: Q♣ 3♦ K♠ Hero checks
* * UTG checks
* * Potsize: $0.45
Turn: Q♠ Hero bets [$0.20]
* * UTG raises to $0.40 Hero calls [$0.20]
* * Potsize: $1.25
River: Q♦ Hero checks
* * UTG bets [$0.05] Hero...


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well i definately would have bet at the pot on the flop....just to see if he hit anything or is even chasing anything.....secondly i definately got for the shove on the turn after he raises you....or at least re raise to $1??
 
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also at the river i shove at this point...hopefully he has the K and thinks his boat is good...
 
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I was thinking that I literally played every street wrong. Part of It, I think was my mindset at the time. I was playing real nervous after a series of bad beats and did not want to chase him off. Pretty sure something like bet the flop, reraise the turn and shove the river would have been a good way to go. But I dont know
 
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Honestly, I think he might have mid-pair or even pocket 3's or K's when he re-raises the turn. He checks down a lot, doesn't bet much, which makes a re-raise a bit surprising. It's a toss up imo to what he has unless you've seen him re-raise and do this type of thing before thinking you're bluffing with Ace rag. Very peculiar with the min river bet. I'd shove it though I'd give a 40% chance of him calling.
 
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I think I'd re-raise the turn here. At this point, you have Queens full, and basically, you are going to go all in. The only thing to be afraid of here is KK (of course the river would have cleared that up).

I think by the turn he may have JT, AK, AT, even AA for the slowplay. Or, basically, he is bluffing and trying to represent the hand YOU are holding. So, I'd probably re-raise the turn, and, I'd do it really quick with the auto re-raise button so it seems really aggro like your trying to push back at him. I think some players take that bait and just get into a button clicking battle.

As it is played, his bet on the river is really really odd. It is almost so odd it could seriously be a mistake (he may have clicked the wrong thing with his mouse, maybe he meant to raise .50?).

Either way, you obviously have to re-raise the river, I don't know if I'd go all in, he may be able to walk away from the pot at this point. I'd probably go somewhere around .90 cents. I think bets like this are less threatening and easier for him to call if he only has JJ or 10's. If he has KK or and K for that matter...or 33, i'd expect him to re-raise (in which case i'd think his very odd bet is some kind of very odd trap he thinks he's setting).

So, I think given the way its played, I'd re-raise the river to something he'd probably call and hopefully re-raise.
 
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I have been running so bad in 6-max that I hardly know what to do with myself
If you play your hands this badly, you're not running bad, I assure you. Getting max value in spots like these is what makes up for bad beats & coolers. Stop slowplaying in places where its a horrible idea FFS.
 
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If you play your hands this badly, you're not running bad, I assure you. Getting max value in spots like these is what makes up for bad beats & coolers. Stop slowplaying in places where its a horrible idea FFS.

I have no response except, yup.
 
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i think even at this point where you ve in a way wasted value on two streets you can actually still get all of his stack if he has a king.... and if not you wouldnt have gotten that much action anyways..
 
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Alright, let me say what I was thinking to have happen:

Flop- I check he bets, I raise maybe taking the pot down right then if not building it a little but more- He checks I put him on a small pair, a draw, or nothing.

Turn- I bet expecting to take down the pot and he raises. I figure he still has a small pair/draw so I call to induce a bluff on the river since it was a min-raise I figure he has a little something but is most likely going to fold to a substantial reraise here.

River- I check and a tiny bet squeeks out, not exactly what I hoped for but better than nothing- probably a missed draw or that small pair.

At no point in this hand did I figure him for KK, he raises preflop maybe he's slow playing 3's but I doubt it, especially on the river. If he has a K he's betting the flop after I check.
This is what I was thinking while it happened at least. My intention was not to slow play it exactly but effectively thats what happened. So Should I have been more aggessive earlier and potentially shut it down or try and draw it out a little to extract more value in some other way.
I understand its probably not the best line to take but I wanted him to catch up a little so that I might get more out of him.
 
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Alright, let me say what I was thinking to have happen:

Flop- I check he bets, I raise maybe taking the pot down right then if not building it a little but more- He checks I put him on a small pair, a draw, or nothing.

Turn- I bet expecting to take down the pot and he raises. I figure he still has a small pair/draw so I call to induce a bluff on the river since it was a min-raise I figure he has a little something but is most likely going to fold to a substantial reraise here.

River- I check and a tiny bet squeeks out, not exactly what I hoped for but better than nothing- probably a missed draw or that small pair.

At no point in this hand did I figure him for KK, he raises preflop maybe he's slow playing 3's but I doubt it, especially on the river. If he has a K he's betting the flop after I check.
This is what I was thinking while it happened at least. My intention was not to slow play it exactly but effectively thats what happened. So Should I have been more aggessive earlier and potentially shut it down or try and draw it out a little to extract more value in some other way.
I understand its probably not the best line to take but I wanted him to catch up a little so that I might get more out of him.

Stop thinking like this.

This is 5NL!!

On the flop, if he has a K he calls, if he has a Q he calls, if he has 77-JJ he calls, if he has A3 he calls, if he has AJ,AT he calls, If he has T9, TJ he calls. If he has no hand at this point he will not 'catch up'.

On the turn he will call with any of these hands. If he raises, then he may have caught a high flush draw, reraise him!

On the river just shove. If he has 77 and he has called you down this far and now has a FH. He is unlikely to fold (especially if he has called 2 pot sized bets)

Basically get you stack in with good hands and you will find lots of new and interesting ways for villians to hand over their cash.

Capture

Just to labor the point, this is his calling range at 5NL!! there are probably even more hands you could include, 34s? 35s? J3s?

You have 2 pair..

Its 5NL....

just bet!
 
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Ya, over-analysis of a $5NL hand is probably not useful. Just shove. People will play for stacks with Uno cards.
 
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+1 for Stu´s posts.

Cbet the flop, bet more on the turn because the flop checks mean its gonna be hard geting stacks in.
As played i shove the river. No one ever fold fullhouses, especialy at the micros so just jam and expect to be called by Kx,3x,44-JJ.
If he folds its not because he scared of your shove but because he didnt have anything so you wherned geting any value any way so just go for max over all value and ship it in.

I also hate the guts out of checking the river, he will look u up with all FH but might check behind with some(stuff like 3x and 22-66)
 
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Stop thinking like this.

This is 5NL!!

On the flop, if he has a K he calls, if he has a Q he calls, if he has 77-JJ he calls, if he has A3 he calls, if he has AJ,AT he calls, If he has T9, TJ he calls. If he has no hand at this point he will not 'catch up'.

On the turn he will call with any of these hands. If he raises, then he may have caught a high flush draw, reraise him!

On the river just shove. If he has 77 and he has called you down this far and now has a FH. He is unlikely to fold (especially if he has called 2 pot sized bets)

Basically get you stack in with good hands and you will find lots of new and interesting ways for villians to hand over their cash.

Just to labor the point, this is his calling range at 5NL!! there are probably even more hands you could include, 34s? 35s? J3s?

You have 2 pair..

Its 5NL....

just bet!

OP said he's been playing kind of nitty, how can all that be his range?
 
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OP said he's been playing kind of nitty, how can all that be his range?

Because its 5NL.

If he truly is 'kinda nitty' then it makes no odds if you bet or not, if he doesn't have AK, he folds.

That is a flop range, meaning that he calls with any K, Q or A that he saw the flop with plus underpairs (will usuallly call one bet) plus draws.

If you dont think he plays K2, fine, but K9, KT? there are kings in his range, there are queens, there are aces he will peel with, there are draws there are a lot of cards he will call with.

OP said the player was 'kind of nitty' he limp-called preflop!! thats not 'kinda nitty'!!
 
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