Originally Posted by vinylspiros
The way i see it is,
I guess after reading the responses, best way to play it is flat his 4 bet and GII on non ace high flops. But even then, we arent going to get paid by AK so it still isnt clear to me what will pay us off that we beat on non ace high flops that 4 bet us pre?
HUDS are really important here. Without one we are just walking in the dark.
The way I see it is to flat the 4 bet and then if there is no ace or king on the flop to call if they cbet or if they check then bet the flop.
The equity of AK comes from seeing all 5 cards; if it misses the flop that hand often gives up to a bet at that point.
There are 16 combos of AK and 12 combos of AA KK so over half the time we are up against AK (assuming villain 4 bets it) and that does not count any other hands he might 4bet with that are weaker than QQ. As I pointed out earlier if YOU are a regular 3bettor than there may be persons 4 betting you light which is even more reason to flat and keep those hands in the game.
You shouldn't flat the 4 bet and then hope to check it down as we don't want to give AK the free chance to spike that card that beats us.
Clearly if they are still betting hard on the turn you can let it go at that point when there is good evidence from the betting that you are beat.
Even AA or KK might consider pot control and checking the turn at that point.