$5 NLHE 6-max: QQ faces All in on first hand.

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J_moly88

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Sorry the hand isn't converted, but hopefully the explanation is ok.

Sat down with 100bb. This is the first hand, no stars on villain, I'm in the big blind. I'm dealt QQ.

UTF folds, villain in MP raises all in for his 70bb(ish) stack. Folds round to me in the big blind.

In addition to coming to the conclusion of calling or folding, I'd like to know what your thought process would be to see if I am on a similar wave length.
 
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Calling this every day. He has a wider range than just KK+. Tbh a lot of fish see 88 and just ship. Just a cooler if he has you beat.
 
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With no stats on the guy I'd also be having to think it through but I'd be leaning towards a call. Regs/TAGs will not randomly shove whereas fish do. It's the sort of spot where I imagine if I folded myself, I'll see him do it plenty more and notice as the hands add up he becomes an obvious fish/maniac and I'd regret not calling a hand like QQ.

youregoodmate summed it up with how fish see 88+. A lot of fish limp with pocket pairs, ANY pocket pairs and then raise AI if faced with a raise after limping. Some idiots just shove AI randomly with them or crap like K5s. I'd imagine you'd be in good shape if you called and you're crushing his range here.
 
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yeah snap call...I actually think he is more likely to do this with a medium pair then KK or AA. A lot of players (wrongly) want to slowplay when they have a huge hand and no chase away action. Obviously, without any knowledge of the villian you cant be sure- but I'm calling this no question.
 
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Whenever I see stuff like this, I think it's a terrible strategy based on Sklansky-Chubokov rankings or just some dingleberry trying steam off a few buy-ins. Either way, I'm over shoving here 100% of the time against an unknown.

Some S-C combo and equity numbers to chew on based on the EQ > 0 for 70bb and above:

Range -- 44+, A5s+, A8o, KJs+ (167 combos taking into account QQ removal)
12 combos - AA, KK - we still have 18.26% equity
16 combos - AKs, AK the two overcards - 56.05%
1 combo - QQ - 50% though we'll either win or lose a tiny fraction of the time.
48 combos - underpair JJ-44 - 81.07%
10 combos - non-paired Q, AQs, AQ, KQs - 67.90%
80 combos - undercards AJs-A5s, AJo-A8o, KJs - 70.09%

That should be a good starting point for you to work on assumptions of villain in these instances. Even if you cut back on the range of hands he likely shoves 70bb with, it's still highly profitable to overshove and get him heads up.

Happy Triple Twelve!
 
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