$5 NLHE 6-max: Qh6h on Q92hh board

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  1. no history w/ villain and this is villain's second hand with me during the session
  2. did hero play a standard line here? or was this top pair + flush draw overplayed from the BB?
  3. when villain 3-bets and 5bet shoves, hero thought he was up against higher flush draw.

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You have top pair(with a horrible kicker) AND a flush draw, why are you 2betting and 4betting on the flop? You should be TRYING to see more cards with this hand(while still building the pot since you have top pair), 2betting and 4betting here is not a value play. I feel like you would have been able to save about $3-$4 just calling down here.
 
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You have top pair(with a horrible kicker) AND a flush draw, why are you 2betting and 4betting on the flop? You should be TRYING to see more cards with this hand(while still building the pot since you have top pair), 2betting and 4betting here is not a value play. I feel like you would have been able to save about $3-$4 just calling down here.
so...

call flop.
call turn.
river? what if river is checked to you. Would you have bet/fold or bet/call? or check back?
 
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so...

call flop.
call turn.
river? what if river is checked to you. Would you have bet/fold or bet/call? or check back?


With the 2 on the river? Check, I can't see any hands you really get value out of your opponents holding
 
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I like JustSoPro's line here. No need to get it in on the flop with top pair crappy kicker after defending BvB.
 
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I agree no need to raise the flop.
 
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And where is the position? Where the action on the preflop? How to analyze if we don't know half of the conditions?
 
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You were not favorite in the hand. You did not have a good kicker or the color nuts. But if a good hand with something of showdown value. So call is more optimal here, you want to keep the lowest pot to get to see a showdown. Your rival may be a maniac who rises bluffing or can have a good hand like this case, that really does not matter since you do not know him. The raise would be optimal on the river once your project is completed. But, just call
 
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And where is the position? Where the action on the preflop? How to analyze if we don't know half of the conditions?
Can you not see the image? It shows all of that in the picture. villain is SB he is BB, villain raised to $0.15 pre and he called for $0.10

As I've said in another thread of yours, you have top pair WITH a flush draw, you should want to see more cards rather than 2betting and 4betting the flop, you are already behind any Q with a higher kicker(which is what would be 3betting you) so you shouldn't be so eager to get your money in the middle.
 
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Raising the flop is fine. In a BvB spot like this, you want to be raising a pretty wide range if you're playing against someone a lot. You said you have no history, so I don't hate just calling. But in general, w/ TP + draw hand in BvB raising here is generally +EV.
 
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Raising the flop is fine. In a BvB spot like this, you want to be raising a pretty wide range if you're playing against someone a lot. You said you have no history, so I don't hate just calling. But in general, w/ TP + draw hand in BvB raising here is generally +EV.


I completely agree that raising is +ev.But i think tp with the flush draw is a good hand to have in your flop the calling range.Id much prefer to raise a hand like mid pair or bottom pair with a flush draw which have basically the same raw equity but could use extra fold equity.As they aren't as good as often at showdown.I like to have some hands that are strong enough to call the flop and turn which can make very strong hands on the river.But which will also be good at showdown a decent amount when the draw bricks.If that makes sense.
 
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Some players see a pair and a good flush draw and go nuts. You had 13 clean outs to make the best hand, which makes you about 44%.

Blind vs blind your aggression is justified. Less aggressive lines are also OK.
 
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Can you not see the image? It shows all of that in the picture. villain is SB he is BB, villain raised to $0.15 pre and he called for $0.10

As I've said in another thread of yours, you have top pair WITH a flush draw, you should want to see more cards rather than 2betting and 4betting the flop, you are already behind any Q with a higher kicker(which is what would be 3betting you) so you shouldn't be so eager to get your money in the middle.

Sorry, but I can not see the picture. Something is wrong with the notebook.
 
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Well, I think I would make that same raise on the flop to 0.45$, and the exact amount. However once Villain did a 3bet, I wouldn't re-raise here.
I don't think you can get called by a worse hand, but only by better ones.
Basically, you are hoping opponent has nut flush draw that he might call/jam with in which case you are hoping TP survives, everything else that calls/jams has you beat, and weaker hands would be chased off. Considering there are 4 hearts out there already, it is hard for V to have any flush draw, making his range even tighter when he 3-bets you.

Raising the flop is fine. In a BvB spot like this, you want to be raising a pretty wide range if you're playing against someone a lot. You said you have no history, so I don't hate just calling. But in general, w/ TP + draw hand in BvB raising here is generally +EV.
I would like to know, would you have played this hand the exact way hero played it? If not, what would you change?
 
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I would just fold preflop here. There is no need to defend this wide in a BvB at these stakes.

The flop is 1000% just call. This is one of those classic spots where if you raise you often only get action from better, and fold out all worse.
 
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I would try to see the turn as cheap as possible.
 
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