$5 NLHE 6-max: Nut Flush and Gutshot Straight, Call All-in?

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Hand was in 5nl zoom.

poker stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $5 (100 bb)
BB: $1.62 (32.4 bb)
UTG: $5.20 (104 bb)
MP: $6.30 (126 bb)
CO: $9.60 (192 bb)
BTN: $7.27 (145.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K
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A
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UTG folds, MP raises to $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.23, BB folds

Flop: ($0.80) T
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6
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9
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Hero checks, MP bets $0.70, CO calls $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.90) Q
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Hero checks, MP bets $1.55, CO raises to $7.43, Hero...?


So would you guys say a call here is a good play, or am I better off folding?

If the MP player folds, then I'm getting slightly better than 2:1 odds, calling $4.05 into an effective pot of $8.50.

However if MP calls which I was fairly sure he would then I'm getting slightly better than 3:1 odds, calling $4.05 into an effective pot of $12.55.

I have 12 outs which would give me a straight or flush and then also 6 outs giving me TPTK, however I'm ignoring those since they're unlikely to be the best 3-way. So with 12 outs I have just under 4:1 odds of hitting my hand.

I've not got much experience with odds etc in multiway pots so is this a clear call or an easy fold etc?

Thanks for any answers
 
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i would fold here.

we don't know if MP would call to give us decent odds or not (i wouldn't think he would with less than a set here, which would also remove 1-2 of your outs). also there is a smallish possibility that of our 3 straight only outs are really 2 outs to split a pot (vs KJ)

so looking at it, in all probability your 12 outs are more likely 8-11 live outs to win the whole pot (probably on the upper end of this though, probably 10-11)

if you KNOW MP calls you are slightly behind in odds. if he doesn't, you are much further behind. Nowhere in this are you ahead.



So unless have a really good feeling that it's your lucky day, fold.
 
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i would fold here.

we don't know if MP would call to give us decent odds or not (i wouldn't think he would with less than a set here, which would also remove 1-2 of your outs). also there is a smallish possibility that of our 3 straight only outs are really 2 outs to split a pot (vs KJ)

so looking at it, in all probability your 12 outs are more likely 8-11 live outs to win the whole pot (probably on the upper end of this though, probably 10-11)

if you KNOW MP calls you are slightly behind in odds. if he doesn't, you are much further behind. Nowhere in this are you ahead.



So unless have a really good feeling that it's your lucky day, fold.
 
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12 outs of 46 is something better than 25%, but you are putting 4,05 into 8,.. Or 12,.. At best, so it is a fold
 
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You don't want to be playing hands OOP by just calling unless you have good reason. I would have 3bet preflop to $1.25/50 and if anyone calls the flop is suitable to just shove all in. Play with the initiative. Your hand is strong enough to stack off preflop if needs be here especially what looks like a steal raise and just a call.
This hand realises its equity when you see all 5 cards so rarely call as if you miss the turn you will rarely get the odds you need on the river to continue
As played im still check raising all in on that flop.
Now you have given them a relatively cheap turn card on a wet board and now you have no fold equity. You should be the one putting them in the awkward spot. You got the agony you deserve.
MP will almost certainly fold he was the original opener and could have anything. So looks like a fold as if CO has a set then you may lose Q&6 of diamonds as outs as they give him a FH.
 
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Since you played the hand passively pre flop by just smooth calling and again played passively on the flop then i you should fold here as you still have just "Ace high" on the turn.

You had 2 instances where you could have been more aggressive as i see - flop could have been a good spot for a check raise or you could have simply 3bet pre flop. Now the decision on the turn for you is for all your chips therefore there is a good chance that unless you hit your flush or gutshot on the river you stand to lose all your chips. So folding seems the wise decision here. :)
 
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Yup, don't want a cheap turn card for these guys since once you miss your odds to call are gone, want to be the one putting them to decisions and fold equity gives you an edge. Calling with AK flush draw is waaay worse than shoving.
 
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Playing so passively I would only call with close to nuts and we are just A high.
 
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Mathematically, folding is the wise choice.

In addition, you are not yet committed.

I think you can just fold and go to the next hand.
 
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Fold

I would definitely fold here, being that it's a cash game. If it was multi table tourny then I might play different.
 
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4 bet pre...

flop is a check-shove :)


If you play the sameway with other hands like AA KK.. Or a set... you got fold equity and that'll make up the times you don't make the draw or hit A or K to win.
 
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5x OR is quite strange. in this hand, CRAI on the flop isn't too bad, on the turn you can fold as you'll be behind against a set AND probably pair like AA or KK. in this case your EQ is 16%.

for the check-raise all/in you do need opponent who flats 3bets light, as this gives the PFR good pot odds to call. else it won't be profitable because too many sets(TT)+overpairs in their ranges.

in this particular hand I wouldn't opt for it because the 5x OR is meant to do that, villain probably has QQ+ or is a spewy nuthead.
 
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