$5 NLHE 6-max: NL5 Zoom on PS, folding KK vs possible straight?

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poker stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

BTN: $5.11
SB: $3.26
BB: $6.06
UTG: $6.95
MP: $5.07
Hero (CO): $4.92

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with K :club: K :diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 7 :spade: J :spade: 8 :club: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BTN raises to $0.80, BB folds, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.07) 4 :spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.07) 6 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero calls $1

Final Pot: $6.07
BTN shows T :spade: 9 :diamond: (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Hero mucks K :club: K :diamond:
BTN wins $5.82
(Rake: $0.25)


So easy question. Should I have fold those kings sooner and save some money?
Remember its zoom on micro stakes, my thought was that he would play the same with any top pair (QJ, KJ, AJ) and QQ, maybe TT.
 
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You could have got out on the turn by making a laydown. Villain did show strength by raising the flop and still continued betting when the flush got there which was indicative of a strong hand. The board is super wet by then and we just have an over pair without a redraw to a flush.

However that being said if you don't believe him on the turn and still make the call, then there is no point folding on the river since the board did not change and he bet the same amount as on the turn. :rolleyes:
 
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Inspite the fact he check/raise you the flop his small bets especially on river makes your call worth it.
 
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Really like the flop flat call, most people just look at the fact they hold an over pair and just stack off here.

I think given the price he's giving you on the turn and river though you have to call..I mean I'm not loving it but our price just seems to good to me. I may be wrong, I'm not a cash player but I think you played the hand fine.
 
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Bet more on the flop. Turn is probably where I give up.

Please do not post results.
 
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flop is a bit trickier than it first appears imo though still a call. hi c/r range isn't T9 and 77,88. discountng at least some(maybe half) combos of JJ he 3b's pre. then villains obv got flush draws , and other straight draws w/ equiity he c/r's

this type of hand can start a wicked case of tilt. it's almost natural with big pairs at 2-5nl. part of that is our thinking gets clouded.did you put him on a similair range after he c/r?? be honest.. we naturally want and think those K's good . we forget and auto-pilot it to showdown.
 
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I'd bet more on the flop and fold to a raise. This is a pretty straight forward fold for a couple of reasons, and I think some important points:

1) If this person had a draw, they'd be more inclined to call here and allow themselves to get better odds by letting the BB in, instead of pushing them out.
2) They wouldn't raise a small amount with a draw. This is either a badly played Jx, or two pair+. At these stakes with passive opponents you need to weight that range way more towards 2 pair plus.
3) You'll be out of position the rest of the hand with lots of bad turns and rivers.
 
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His flop reraise is usually strong , this board hits hard a calling range also he is facing 2 opponents , we should account at least 10% to Jx hands and another 10-15% to bluffs/semibluffs and another 10% or more to QQ , since you are getting 1 to 3 odds its not the most terrible call ever , you need to be good a bit more than 25% (since his draws will have equity when you call).

On turn his draws hit and he knows that you have a bad hand so he isnt bluffing but instead he tries to extract value from you , still a large percentage of his range perhaps even up to 30% is QQ and Jx so its a very hard decision , you are getting ok odds , giving up or calling is close and you cant really make big mistakes by choosing either.

River was a snap call.


You must use stats though , this decision would be much easier with them.

If i didnt think they are capable to do this with Jx hands or pure air i would have fold the flop.
 
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yup dude, fold turn
usually those kind of raises on such a drawy boards are two pairs/set/and combos FD/SD (sometimes TP+GUTSHOT) so I would have folded the flop
I mean you don't have Fredraw on the flop, you don't want to see any spades, any Q/J/T/9/8 (even an A) that spot isn't profitable, just fold flop
 
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I'm calling the flop raise as well because he is likely to have AJ a good percentage of the time because he wouldn't want you to be semibluffing the nut flush draw and wants to find out where he's at.

I'm folding the turn though when he's betting big. I don't expect AJ to keep firing unless he's turning it into a bluff, most of the time AJ is going for pot control now. When you get to the river you have to call.

John A's first point is very true - most players flat with the naked nut flush draw or something like 810 of spades in an unraised pot and the original raiser bets the flop strong.
 
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