$5 NLHE 6-max: NL5: Q8s - tpgk+fd vs shove

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed)

CO ($5.17)
Hero (Button) ($6.35)
SB ($8.21)
BB ($5.73)
UTG ($5.37)
MP ($5.37)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, Q
UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.62) 2, 6, 8 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, BB raises to $5.58 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ?

Are you guys going broke here? Villain was 24/15 on 150h with 1.2 AF. With $7.70 already in the pot and $4.48 to call, I need 37% here.
I tried to give him a range and given that range I do have a call here. But it seems to be very close.

Board: 628
Equity Win Tie
MP2 41.97% 41.93% 0.04% { Qh8h }
MP3 58.03% 57.99% 0.04% { 88, 66, 22, 86s, AhJh, Th9h, Th7h }
 
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You have the wonder what the hell is BB shoving with? They must have something. I think that they were defending something like QQ+ against the flush draw.

Sure, you have a flush draw and top pair, but there are lots of possible scary overcards that are in the range of the villain that could come up on the turn and river. Also, your flush draw has a probability of ~67% not to be completed. And then there's the slight possibility that they too have a flush draw, but with :kh4: or :ah4: and some other card.

Do you really want to go all-in here?
 
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Call preflop is okay if you think UTG is easy to control.

Why raise the flop? You're turning top pair into a bluff, and you want the BB to call as well.

As played, you should call, but if you flat call you don't have to get it in behind.
 
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Why the call pre ?
I only call hands like this against nits that go broke post when i hit my hand or are easily bluffed.
Against this kind of opponent i would rather 3bet or fold.

Why are you raising the flop ?
When you raise is he ever going to continue with worse hands ?
I can only think of some FDs and given his position its pretty likely if he has a FD its a higher one than Q.
So you are basically raising to get it in on the flop with sets, over pairs and better FDs and to fold everything what is worse than an 8.

There are some spots where raising a FD + pair is better than calling but this is not the one.
 
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Preflop is pretty loose man. We have no reads or info whatsoever about villains.


So, we flop TP, with decent FD. Why exactly are you raising? Now you are asking if you should call?


You gotta think of that before you raise the flop. What are you trying to accomplish? You are turning this hand into a bluff, like C9 said. This is not how I'd play it. We have equity sure, but we don't need to be fist pump getting it in here, when we have the BTN. I think you are over estimating your hand here on the flop. We need to see more cards to realize equity. There is no need to raise when we can call, and see a turn for less. If you raise, you force V to have a better hand than you, and you open him up to jam.


First, fold pre. Next hand, unless there is some reason we are calling with such a meh hand.

Second, don't raise flop. Call. This keeps UTG range wider, and doesn't bloat the pot for no reason. We have position. Proceed to turn, and re evaluate.
 
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Raise or fold in that position unless it's a multi way pot and your holding suited connectors or A2-A5 suited., etc.

Not sure if that's right? but it's how I would play it...
 
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Unless you have a monster read, one has to ask, what the heck are you doing over calling an UTG raise from a 24/15? You should assume he is even tighter UTG. but go ahead and give him a loose top 15% raise. Q8s is a 1 to 2 dog heads up, As played the first caller looks to have a decent range (better than 15%) and the BB's range is very wide calling $10 to win $0.52. Hero has ~20% equity against the field.

As played Hero hit the flop pretty hard with TP OK kicker and a flush draw. At the same time the flop didn't hit the UTG or first caller's range, with not too many low cards in their range. BB's call was very wide and hard to nail down. He could have anything. Do you really want to play for stacks here? What is the point of the re-raise post? I'd call there hoping to hit the flush and willing to fold to aggression.

As played when BB wakes and raises 2.5X AI and its folded to you, you're in a guessing situation. BB can be winning with trips, 2 pair, or a medium over pair He could also be drawing to a better flush or a straight, or combo draw. I doubt it is a pure bluff into 3 players. I doubt your 8s are ahead and not sure a flush draw will be good.

Fold, nice bet, next deal.
 
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Too much aggression, get outta there - fold pre flop.
 
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It's a call from my opinion. PS software like to crash higher pairs or I likely think he was A K pissed off nothing came, supposing u dont have less then 9 high card. I have a top, plus flush draw, easy call.
 
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easy fold pre
Yeah UTG raise is almost never callable with Q8s, especially with one extra limper. Wrong line from the beginning, so analyzing is pointless.
 
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Fold pre, but on flop you need just call, don't raise..
 
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3Bet Bluff or fold pre-flop in my opinion.
 
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