$5 NLHE 6-max: Mistake not raising on flop??

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MP looks like a nit. Overall I think the hand was badly played all 3 streets post flop. Thoughts?

pokerstars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 137 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 21.15, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, hands: 53)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.84, PFR: 14.37, 3Bet Preflop: 4.23, Hands: 177)
BB: 113.8 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (UTG): 687 BB
MP: 103.8 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 35.71, Hands: 50)
CO: 111 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 28)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Kd Kh
Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (9.4 BB, 3 players) Qc 6c 8s
BB bets 5.8 BB, Hero calls 5.8 BB, MP calls 5.8 BB

Turn : (26.8 BB, 3 players) 9s
BB checks, Hero bets 16 BB, MP calls 16 BB, fold

River : (58.8 BB, 2 players) 8c
Hero bets 26 BB, MP raises to 79 BB and is all-in, Hero???
 
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pocket kings and pocket aces,also queens are most often a pre flop all in hands, so playing games chasing a river is dumb. so I agree with you, this was poorly played. should have bet pot after the flop,
 
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For me it looks standard. I would mostly bet turn more, and check/call river, but this would be second line for me. I’m up to learn new things on this topic I assume =)
I don’t see BB having many draws, but he might be wider than normal from BB (new age?) and played 1/3 of hands. When you bet small on the river, you need to call much wider than normally, given the sizing I would fold, but calling can't be too bad ( you need to win 28%) To recap, imo, I don't see river decision very important.
 
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NH, fold the river.

The turn card is terrible.

MP could be slow playing a big hand as well, given that he's letting the BB tag along. So his betting pattern isn't necessarily flushes and 98 type hands.

Check/calling the river strikes me as bad. I doubt villain has many hands in his range left to bluff with. Maybe a hand like 77 will bluff this river if checked to. I think the line is solidly bet/fold or check/fold.

My default with an overpair or TPTK is just bet/fold 3 times.
 
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Villain had 3-bet 18 out of 50 hands pre-flop and this situation now was perfect for another 3-bet for him, being in position against the hero. With that in mind, in my opinion his range is not very wide, personally would put him to some suited connectors and suited one-gapppers ranging from 67 to JQ and some AXs like A8-, also I guess considering his 3-bet percentage, would not place him on a pocket pair 77+
With all that in mind, it would be better to 3-bet on the flop, considering it is a draw heavy board, trying to make villain pay to see that turn.

As played, I would probably not call that all in, board is paired, flush draw got there, some straight draws got there on the turn as well. Tough lay down, but probably the right play.
 
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Preflop is standard, IMHO. It is unlikely either Villain has AA, they would have bet the flop QQ is more likely, but there are only 3 combos. 88 and 66 are less likely, so I think you may be ahead preflop. BB betting out is odd. She has the widest range calling 2BB to win 7.5BB.

I would have 3-bet folded the flop. As played it is odd Villain over-called, It is unlikely she would have without something, IMHO. The turn itself doesn't change much, but you have to ask yourself "How many bets an over pair is worth?" Not 3, IMHO. Betting is not bad, but you have to check the flop, when Villain calls.
 
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You should raise the flop because at the time of the big blind raise, you knew it were ahead on such a flop. hands like AQ OR KQ,A8 although I think he had something like A8 he could hit the 8 on the river
 
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Also, this table sucks. Quit PokerStars, go where the fish are.
 
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From my experience a small gap between VPIP and PFR are often small pocket pairs since people (me included) rather 3bet with gappers and connectors than put a lot of money in pre with weak pairs. But here it also depends what your stats were at that point. If you played tight, I see MP mostly calling PP's here.
I would have 3-bet folded the flop. As played it is odd Villain over-called, It is unlikely she would have without something, IMHO. The turn itself doesn't change much, but you have to ask yourself "How many bets an over pair is worth?" Not 3, IMHO. Betting is not bad, but you have to check the flop, when Villain calls.
Hard #2nd. I assume Finn meant to "check the turn when villain calls (the flop)". Your OP is often good here, especially against a donk bet. If MP goes over the top, your equity is probably not good since he will often only go broke here with sets or monster draws. If you get called OTF by the BB, I barrel the turn again. If MP overcalls, I check/raise the turn to get some value from his bluffs. If both call, I check the turn and call or fold here...depends on the action.
On the river you are rarely ahead, so easy ch/fold for me.
 
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I think you need to solve all 3-bet on the flop. You may have knocked out the flush draw. If the opponent set, I think it will make calls or 4-bet. To aggression we fold. IMHO. I play at lower limits.
 
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