$5 NLHE 6-max: Made a big fold, was it correct?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


BB: 309.2 BB (VPIP: 28.67, PFR: 24.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, hands: 152)
UTG: 127.8 BB (VPIP: 13.95, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
CO: 105.6 BB (VPIP: 20.79, PFR: 12.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 103)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 6.90, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 29)
Hero (SB): 113.4 BB


Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T:spade: Q:diamond:


UTG raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero calls 2.6 BB, fold


Flop: (13 BB, 4 players) T:club: T:heart: 9:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets 5 BB, CO calls 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 5 BB


Turn: (28 BB, 3 players) 6:heart:
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB, fold


River: (54 BB, 2 players) 7:club:
Hero checks, CO bets 44 BB, fold


[spoil]CO wins 51.8 BB
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I'm insta folding this pre

I would have made a substantial raise after the flop with the set of tens to discourage anyone from drawing beyond the flop.

I might fold pre because I am first to act after the flop and it is not a great hand. But sometimes I would call, as you did, mainly because of so many limpers that improve my pot odds.
Once you call and you are so lucky to make trips, I think the best play is to raise or reraise because you do not want to leave cheap straight draws and you are then better able to put them on a narrower range.

Really bad fold on the river, there is pretty much no 8 in villain range maybe some weird 88 played like that but highly unlikely. Call it down in the river.
Also.. fold preflop. There is corect to fold

Gohaku94 said:

Really bad fold on the river, there is pretty much no 8 in villain range maybe some weird 88 played like that but highly unlikely.

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why is that unlikely? I'd say he may have 66 77 88 99 T9 78 maybe TQ TK TA in his range here, and that he plays like this.


I'd say fold may be correct, i would raise on the turn rather big to protect. Folding pre is not bad play either, like others pointed out

Verdue167 said:

why is that unlikely? I'd say he may have 66 77 88 99 T9 78 maybe TQ TK TA in his range here, and that he plays like this.


I'd say fold may be correct, i would raise on the turn rather big to protect. Folding pre is not bad play either, like others pointed out

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Folding pre is the corect play not "not bad". If he is calling the cbet on that board with 88 77 66 he is a bad player and i don't think he have the infos to think he is a calling station. T9 TK and TA are all viabile If they are suited and that's 3 combos cause we got a T.

Weird hand.

Folding this hand pre isn't bad at all.

Now postflop, with top set you definitely have to make a raise either on the flop or on the turn. Check call on the flop and check/raise his 45% bet on the turn would be good.

River is tough. I don't want to sound "Negreanu"......I don't know what I would have done. Probably I would have called and faced a 99 or 77 full house, but you may have made a really strong fold.

Gohaku94 said:

Really bad fold on the river, there is pretty much no 8 in villain range maybe some weird 88 played like that but highly unlikely. Call it down in the river.
Also.. fold preflop. There is corect to fold

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I don't beat any of his value range and it didn't feel like a bluff. Agree that i don't think it's an 8 but it could be full houses.

when the rivo shows 8, it can be tracked, sequenced, and even a full house, I would not have gone check on the turn, there I put everything by value myself, wanting them to drop the game, and if only one pay comes, another wide, so I have more outs against a single player...

MattJM68 said:

I don't beat any of his value range and it didn't feel like a bluff. Agree that i don't think it's an 8 but it could be full houses.

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But why do you assume he even have a range for bluffs? It's 5nl you don't know him.. he can't be amazingly good.. he might have seen a video of doyle brunson a few minutes ago and decided to play T2 vs you and just happened to hit it hard.. or T3 T4 T5.. he can have anything probably.. If you think that you can't beat any hand with trips at 5nl i don't know why would you even play that..

Gohaku94 said:

But why do you assume he even have a range for bluffs? It's 5nl you don't know him.. he can't be amazingly good.. he might have seen a video of doyle brunson a few minutes ago and decided to play T2 vs you and just happened to hit it hard.. or T3 T4 T5.. he can have anything probably.. If you think that you can't beat any hand with trips at 5nl i don't know why would you even play that..

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Give 5NL some credit, yes we're mostly new/bad players but T2? Really???


Maybe JT at a stretch but i think all his trips check the river there, yes he can bluff but not enough for me to profitably call that river. What reasonable hands is he bluffing with?? Most people at this level bluff with draws which all got there.

MattJM68 said:

Give 5NL some credit, yes we're mostly new/bad players but T2? Really???


Maybe JT at a stretch but i think all his trips check the river there, yes he can bluff but not enough for me to profitably call that river. What reasonable hands is he bluffing with?? Most people at this level bluff with draws which all got there.

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that river does not look like a heart so no.. not all draws got there, only a pretty meaningless straight draw if he somehow had a 8. I don't believe that river changed anything. If he had the best hand he had it before the turn or river. Again, you should have folded preflop. And that runout didn't changed much.

It's a tough spot.

True that the river doesn't change anything, but only as far as it concerns the full house. He either has a full house of 99s or 66s. A set of tens with Ace kicker is possible too. As I said above I would call, but probably I would face the "bad news"......

Gohaku94 said:

that river does not look like a heart so no.. not all draws got there, only a pretty meaningless straight draw if he somehow had a 8. I don't believe that river changed anything. If he had the best hand he had it before the turn or river. Again, you should have folded preflop. And that runout didn't changed much.

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87 makes sense

NBB said:

I would have made a substantial raise after the flop with the set of tens to discourage anyone from drawing beyond the flop.

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You don't want them to call?

Alucard said:

87 makes sense

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78 makes sense but also JQ makes sense. We've been so passive with trips here it looks like we have nothing so he might shove alot of things. The way we played we shouldnt have a T so the villain might realise this and shove with anything.

I don't actually think the V has any bluffs here. UTG looks like a nit first of all. And V's turn size is very much leaned towards getting calls.
Calling river is fine I guess but then again I would never be in this spot.


Would fold pre.
As played would raise flop & jam turn if the size is right

Any player reads would help

Poker Orifice said:

You don't want them to call?

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I would not want players who were looking to draw at a straight to get to play for CHEAP, without making them put up a large portion of their chips.

If they want to gamble against my made set, then I would make them pay Dearly to see the next two cards.

NBB said:

I would not want players who were looking to draw at a straight to get to play for CHEAP, without making them put up a large portion of their chips.

If they want to gamble against my made set, then I would make them pay Dearly to see the next two cards.

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This is correct, however as people have said it was a loose call preflop so I was worried about overrepresenting my hand and folding out all worse hands.

Alucard said:

I don't actually think the V has any bluffs here. UTG looks like a nit first of all. And V's turn size is very much leaned towards getting calls.
Calling river is fine I guess but then again I would never be in this spot.


Would fold pre.
As played would raise flop & jam turn if the size is right

Any player reads would help

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This was well said, UTG open doesnt really have bluffs here. Even if he has QJhh, this is a horrible board to barrel on, his draws might not even be good. His sizing is polarizing on the river so he is repping boats. It makes a lot more sense for him to show up with 99 or 77.


1. You beat none of his value
2. He is never bluffing
3. You currently have the worst hand you will ever have in this situation


Good fold. Well played.

MattJM68 said:

This is correct, however as people have said it was a loose call preflop so I was worried about overrepresenting my hand and folding out all worse hands.

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In addition, you could be in bad shape. And inflating the pot early would make it impossible to find a fold later with so much of your stack already invested.

mikeisthebestever said:

In addition, you could be in bad shape. And inflating the pot early would make it impossible to find a fold later with so much of your stack already invested.

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Yeah, i called pre cos of the pot odds but i didn't want to get stacks in with QT

1) UTG got decent cards pre-flop
2) HERO preflop fold would be logical, or call hoping to get lucky
3) HERO with the preflop call: post flop with a set has to bet significant amount, as only 99 and T9, KT and AT would be better hands. (check, then call is the wrong action).
4) another barrel would be required, but likely would have lead to more loss, unless they all fold.
5) As on the turn the trouble starts. Time to limit the loss and fold is best?
Summary: playing a marginal hand in the wrong position is tricky; how to prevent it to become too expensive?