$5 NLHE 6-max: Loosing value here?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 49/17/1.6

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Button ($5)
SB ($4.52)
BB ($6.97)
UTG ($2.42)
Hero (MP) ($5.21)
CO ($4.41)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6
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, 6
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1 fold, Hero raises $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) J
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, 10
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, 10
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.75) 6
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(2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises $1.92, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.55

Results below:
Hero had 6
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, 6
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Outcome: Hero won $3.01

Should I had reraised less?. Or I was supposed to do something else?
 
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the flop is pretty tricky i think.

villains range is pretty wide, so if you want to cbet here, i'd bet larger for the straight draws, and flush draws. i think it's pretty unlikely that villain will fold to cbet because his range probably hits this board well. (98s, 78s, QKs, QJs, AJs, KJs, Q9s, 99, etc).

but at the same time, i might just check back since 6's are kinda meh at this board.

regardless, with the made trips on the turn, i think a raise is definitely the right move, but i'd make it like 3x his bet. 1.92$ bet says call me only if you made trips, or a full house i think.
 
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The size of the c-bet on the flop is not important against this kind of villain because he will not give a s..t :) And yeah the flop is probably marginal. But that is why I c-bet small when I do not have it and big when I hit. At this stake against this kind of villain is not exploitable.
The turn is where is was unsure. When he called the flop I could narrow his range to pocket pairs, straights and flush draws, trips, jack with some kind of a kicker. Trips are the very small part of his range. I usually do not slowplay against this type of players but here I think I scared him with the big reraise.
 
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Your play is fine here. Well, I will raise less on the turn.
 
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The size of the c-bet on the flop is not important against this kind of villain because he will not give a s..t :) And yeah the flop is probably marginal.

Agree with swing bout villains not caring bout s#!$. His range is so wide even still ott that i don't really like the raise. He already donks the turn so call. You have pos and he s prob bound to make another stupid bet otr , and when he does he ll be more committed and may even spaz call a raise otr.
 
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the flop is pretty tricky i think.

regardless, with the made trips on the turn, i think a raise is definitely the right move, but i'd make it like 3x his bet. 1.92$ bet says call me only if you made trips, or a full house i think.

woops, meant made full house on the turn, and that villain calls our raise here most likely only if he has full house+. :p

I usually do not slowplay against this type of players but here I think I scared him with the big reraise.

i think it did scare him. i voted for the smaller reraise to try and help with this but still a raise and not a call. just because we want to get value/making him pay if he's still on the draw.

He already donks the turn so call. You have pos and he s prob bound to make another stupid bet otr , and when he does he ll be more committed and may even spaz call a raise otr.


i think a call is good only if you think he is slowplaying a better boat than yours, but with only a call, you might not know where you stand on the river. i think we also aren't getting enough value here if we just call. even if he has a higher boat, i don't think it's really our fault given how he played.

if we call on the turn, his range is still the same. but if we raise here and he calls/shoves, it narrows quite a lot.
 
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i think a call is good only if you think he is slowplaying a better boat than yours, but with only a call, you might not know where you stand on the river. i think we also aren't getting enough value here if we just call. even if he has a higher boat, i don't think it's really our fault given how he played.

if we call on the turn, his range is still the same. but if we raise here and he calls/shoves, it narrows quite a lot.

This^. Bigger boat is only a cooler. Flush or a straight on the river, even trips or top pair with some decent kicker are god for us and there are many of those that he can catch or have. The only question is how to let him and still get value.
I am still waiting for some expert members coach lvl to give us an opinion because I feel like if villain sees a good card on the river he might give us his stack.
 
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I'm flatting the turn without history. Your opponent clearly has something if he's leading here, so let his draw complete or you can likely bet large on the river if it bricks and get paid off by a lot of different hands. This is a spot where I always let people continue and hang themselves because if he has a T, you're getting paid, and you're still likely getting paid if he has Jx. But if he has a draw, you want him to connect.
 
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I'm flatting the turn without history. Your opponent clearly has something if he's leading here, so let his draw complete or you can likely bet large on the river if it bricks and get paid off by a lot of different hands. This is a spot where I always let people continue and hang themselves because if he has a T, you're getting paid, and you're still likely getting paid if he has Jx. But if he has a draw, you want him to connect.

i didn't think about it this way. i think this could be the smarter move to get more value here swingro, as long as he calls a river bet that's around the same size (or more) as a decent sized raise on the turn.

i think john says he is pretty likely to call since his range is still super wide and you've been flat calling thus far (so your hand is masked well).

woo, learned something new ^^
 
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I'm flatting the turn without history. Your opponent clearly has something if he's leading here, so let his draw complete or you can likely bet large on the river if it bricks and get paid off by a lot of different hands. This is a spot where I always let people continue and hang themselves because if he has a T, you're getting paid, and you're still likely getting paid if he has Jx. But if he has a draw, you want him to connect.

Well, the way you put it makes more sense. It bothered me the way I played the hand. Too much 2NL played while I did my challenge on the
"Brags,beats, and challenges" forum thread. At 5Nl even fish are folding from time to time.
 
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i didn't think about it this way. i think this could be the smarter move to get more value here swingro, as long as he calls a river bet that's around the same size (or more) as a decent sized raise on the turn.

i think john says he is pretty likely to call since his range is still super wide and you've been flat calling thus far (so your hand is masked well).

woo, learned something new ^^

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I agree with John and think flatting the turn is the best option here because if the villian is bluffing the turn with air or just taking a stab with draw then we must give him an opportunity to bluff at us one more time on the river.

Raising here will just appear too strong even if it is a min raise which means even if he has a draw, he is likely to fold to our raise and not chase his draw. Instead of raising the turn we can bet/raise the river for value depending on the villain's action.:cool:
 
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you're in position being bet into with the literal nuts against this type of player, flat turn and just let him hang himself on river and then put in the raise.
 
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