$5 NLHE 6-max: KQ turn raise

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my line looks really strong and I'm repping AJ-9J, 77, 22 so he should be folding hands like 88-TT, A7, K7. Or is it spew and I should've just folded on turn? Once he calls on turn his range should be pretty much 88-TT, A7, K7 and he should be able to fold those hands on river.

IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BB: $2 (50 bb)
UTG: $4.94 (123.5 bb)
MP: $2.81 (70.3 bb)
CO: $5.52 (138 bb)
Hero (BTN): $4.11 (102.8 bb)
SB: $5.02 (125.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K
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Q
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2 folds, CO raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.30) 2
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J
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7
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CO bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.70) J
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CO bets $0.44, Hero raises to $1.12, CO calls $0.68

River: ($2.94) 4
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CO checks, Hero bets $1.92, CO calls $1.92
 
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I don't like it. The J changes nothing and if he is willing to bet at it on a super dry board then he probably isn't willing to fold when he gets action.

He probably isn't thinking on this level but, the fact that you rep exactly zero value hands should entice a slowplay from any good reg here. Would you really be raising a FH/trips here?
 
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you're right, I wouldn't, but it's unlikely that he'd be able to exploit that. I thought that a reg at 5nl should give me credit for raising the turn and fold his medium strong hand after the river bet.
 
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Dont bluff river when he called the turn raise. And next time show the results. Personally i wanna know what oponent had.
 
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he had A7, but once he calls the turn, he's not thinking "his line doesn't make sense and there are no value hands in his range so that's why i call". so I jammed the river thinking I'd have some FE and I was expecting him to fold a hand that he called with
 
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If he had a J why would the villain just call the raise?
 
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who said he would just cal with a J?
 
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But he would just call with a J . . .

Anyway I suspect he just had a feeling you were bluffing. It might have been influenced by your weird line but I don't think he is good enough to fully disect your play and make the correct call due to thinking it through.

The point I was trying to make with him doubling here is that most micro regs aren't double barreling here with a medium-strong hand. It's a nutty J or better normally.

I don't hate it vs a reg who can fold a lot though. Just be sure to remove yourself from the bluffing state of mind in future and realize that the river is a hopeless bet.
 
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You imitated weak play. When fishies call me they tell me they are weaker than me or drawing... Raise and you call = Profit :)

Bad hand.. Fold on flop... 3bet pre HU in position with KQ.

Turn bet looks like a bluff... WHy else you would try and get him off the hand? ... River bet is useless and just burning money, interesting he just called which tells me he has like a 7.
 
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i think it's better to play the hand IP and we don't know how much he folds to 3bets and I wanna play against his wider range. Floating the flop is perfectly fine since he's very likely to cbet 100% of his range on this flop so floating is definitely ok.
 
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turn bet looks like a bluff....what?
since he only called the river means he's gambling....what? mistake by just calling the river, so you'd go for a value c/r on the river with A7? you gotta be kidding me :D
 
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You imitated weak play. When fishies call me they tell me they are weaker than me or drawing... Raise and you call = Profit :)

Bad hand.. Fold on flop... 3bet pre HU in position with KQ.

Turn bet looks like a bluff... WHy else you would try and get him off the hand? ... River bet is useless and just burning money, interesting he just called which tells me he has like a 7.

Tells you he has a 7 . . . Sure thing bro . . . Cause he can never have pocket 9's or T's . . .
 
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I fold the turn. I had this convo with bgomez about it:

c9h13no3: the bet sizing is all ****ed on turn
c9h13no3: Also, villain rarely barrels that turn with air
bgomez89: thats true
bgomez89: but if V has an overpair, you dont think he can lay it down?
c9h13no3: it's 4NL, **** no
bgomez89: lol
bgomez89: need to move up to where they respect raises then
c9h13no3: and then run super thin multistreet bluffs LDO
 
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Your range for his call on the turn is off by quite a bit. All big pairs should be in there at least as well.

Also, at 5nl I'm not sure running a multiple street bluff is going to be profitable. Most of your opponents are only looking at their hand, and if they have any pair they aren't likely going anywhere. Not to mention in a Co/BTN situation, unless you're leveling someone (you know someone is on at least level 2/3 in their thinking), are you really raising the turn with a J? The runout on the board just isn't good enough to get people to fold anything they are calling on the turn with. Also, when and if you're considering a multiple street bluff, you want boards that have high potential to push people off their range of hands if they check. EX (using almost your same board) 2s 7h Jh, turn Js... now we have some bluffing outs if any spade or heart hits. Your board is horrible for this... that's level 3.

Look at it this way, why is he betting the turn with A7? If he had any brains he'd know you're going to float a ton and he should c/c instead of bet.Translation: He isn't really thinking very deeply... these are your opponents.
 
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