$5 NLHE 6-max: KK vs river bet

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17/15/ AF 3.2/ 3bet 7.4 / 483hands
does he ever bet the river with worse?

IPoker, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $6.37 (127.4 bb)
UTG: $1.54 (30.8 bb)
MP: $7.32 (146.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $5.84 (116.8 bb)
BTN: $5.35 (107 bb)
SB: $5.29 (105.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K
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K
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UTG calls $0.05, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.62) A
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5
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J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.46, Hero calls $0.46

Turn: ($1.54) J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.54) T
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.77, Hero folds
 
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If you don't expect him to bluff, then bet the flop because almost the entire range he'd bet for value on the flop is the same range he'd call with if you bet.

As far as the river, you're just looking at bluffs or Ax or better. Don't think he's betting 99 for value. Nothing else he can have there that would make sense, not even KT since you have two of them and he's so tight.
 
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I think you made a good fold by that board I mean the way he played the hand it looked like he wanted you to be so he can raise it but I think overall it was a good fold.
 
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Bet flop, there are tons of Ax in your range. As played, fold river. It makes 0 sense for him to bluff here.
 
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I want to play against his whole range, if I simply cbet the flop there aren't many worse hands that are gonna call. I did expect him to bet the flop with worse, that's why I c/called.
 
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He probably has a weak Ax and puts you on a jack. It's possible after you check the river that he can fire with a small pair like 66 however I think it's unlikely. I expect to see AQ/AT/TT here quite a bit, along with some other Ax thrown in. If he was looser then I would consider bluffcatching but as is I think he has us beat here most of the time.
 
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I want to play against his whole range, if I simply cbet the flop there aren't many worse hands that are gonna call. I did expect him to bet the flop with worse, that's why I c/called.

So you don't think he'll call with TT-66 or Jx?
 
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I'm folding the river here unless villain is a total retard in which case I might bluff catch
 
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I want to play against his whole range, if I simply cbet the flop there aren't many worse hands that are gonna call. I did expect him to bet the flop with worse, that's why I c/called.

I understand this sentiment so I guess you're playing against the Villain, not really the board - he better have a high agr freq cuz are we expecting him to barrel air at this board? Jx probably thinks it has decent showdown value and checks back, so the bet is likely Ax or air. Even Ax might check-back figuring it dominates (or is dominated by) your open-check range.

The problem w/ a c/c line is that without enough info on the opponent you are almost required to c/c down, or you are putting yourself in a sh*tty situation if the opponent is good enough to barrel down recognizing weakness (unless you occasionally balance by open checking top pair)
 
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it's 5nl so I don't think my game is going to be exploited when c/calling. He's calling a cbet with TT-66 or Jx if I bet. However, if I check the flop and bet the turn, he's going to call the bet on turn, but he can bet with hands that missed totaly and I don't really expect a reg at 5nl to be 2barreling as a bluff in a 3bet pot.
 
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it's 5nl so I don't think my game is going to be exploited when c/calling. He's calling a cbet with TT-66 or Jx if I bet. However, if I check the flop and bet the turn, he's going to call the bet on turn, but he can bet with hands that missed totaly and I don't really expect a reg at 5nl to be 2barreling as a bluff in a 3bet pot.

Fair enough, but with that logic you should probably be calling the river as this is a totally polarizing bet...unless he plays Jx stupidly, this is only Ax thin value, 1010 (which would prob check back flop), or KQ. Not surprised when the stupid 5nl fish shows up with air.
 
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good fold he has Ax
These kind of posts are not quality posts man. The purpose of this forum is not the freerolls. Is for you to learn something. The freerolls are just a tool to increase your bankroll and practice what you have learned against good opponents.
 
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You should be cbetting this flop with your entire range.
 
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