$5 NLHE 6-max: KK in BB, 3Bet preflop, flop top set->check/call, raise turn? and shove river?

$5 NLHE 6-max: KK in BB, 3Bet preflop, flop top set->check/call, raise turn? and shove river?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 100/57/100

Hey I have been playing microstakes on and off for a year (total of like 15k hands). I'm currently a winning player by a whopping $1.60. I've been studying up lately and am wondering if I played this hand correctly. I included the hand history here and I'll provide my overall thought process. By the way this was on ignition if that helps (decent amount of fish there).

I get pocket KKs in the BB. The BTN raises. I only have 7 hands on him but he's 100/57 and he's been extremely aggressive postflop up to this point. I 3Bet, he calls, I hit top set on the flop and I now have 2 questions. The flop was 5 6 K rainbow and my thought process is that there doesn't seem to be a ton that he can call me with here given that he called my 3bet preflop. I feel like that takes AA out of his range, maybe he has QQ, JJ, AQs, AJs, things like that. Or maybe he has random stuff, but I feel like he'll have something with substance since he called a 3bet preflop. So I figure I'm way ahead, let's check and induce a bet from a worse hand, which I expect he will do since he has been so aggressive. He bets, and here's 1 of my questions, do I raise here? Or just call? I feel like a lot of those bluffs he might bet with here might get scared off right now from a raise because of the K and it nails my range. My plan is to check/call the flop and then hopefully the turn gives him a tad more equity, like an Ace would be great, and then I can raise check raise the turn since he's so aggro I expect him to do so on the turn. This is exactly what happens, the turn comes the Ace of clubs, putting a flushdraw out there, and presumably hitting his range. I check, he bets, and I raise. He time banks for quite a while and then calls. Everything worked like a charm so far I feel. (I wasn't too worried about the 56 and filling a possible straight draw btw since I feel like he wouldn't have called my 3bet preflop with cards that make those straights possible. Is this correct?)

Finally the river comes the 7 of clubs, making a flush now possible. Now it also fills a straight draw too but like I said I'm not too worried about my opponent having something like 89 or 43 because of the preflop action. Additionally, I feel based on the action so far, I would put my opponent on Ace-X here, AKs, AQs AJs I would guess. Someone who couldn't get away from top pair on the turn. Since those hands I just listed that someone would call with preflop are suited, the Ace of clubs makes me worry less about the flush possibility. Still worrying about the flush coming in, I sort of panic/tilt shoved on the river for the rest of my stack, is this correct? After thinking about it, would you consider this a Way Ahead/Way Behind situation? Like now that I think about it, if he has Ace-X he'd probably fold to a 3rd street shove since the flush got there as well, and if he had a flush he'd just snap me off right? Should this be a definite check/call situation? Let me know

Summary of Questions: Was check/calling the flop and check/raising the turn a good plan from the start? Did I put my opponent on a good range of hands? Was discounting the possible straight draw a good idea? And would check/calling the river be better than shoving?

iPoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 99 BB (VPIP: 16.36, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 55)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
CO: 69.8 BB (VPIP: 70.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
BTN: 132.6 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 57.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K:club: K:heart:

fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 5.6 BB

Flop: (16.4 BB, 2 players) 6:heart: K:diamond: 5:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets 6.2 BB, Hero calls 6.2 BB

Turn: (28.8 BB, 2 players) A:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets 12.6 BB, Hero raises to 36 BB, BTN calls 23.4 BB

River: (100.8 BB, 2 players) 7:club:
Hero bets 49.8 BB, BTN calls 49.8 BB

I didn't include the result. I can comment it later if you want. :icon_thum:icon_thum:icon_thum

you played well until river, then this shove does not make sense he is calling only if he hets the flush. Check and maybe fold to a shove

Lorpugo said:

you played well until river, then this shove does not make sense he is calling only if he hets the flush. Check and maybe fold to a shove

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Yeah I thought so. I need to stop doing things like that :/ that IS a Way Ahead/Way Behind situation right? He either is getting crushed by me or I'm crushing him right?

I need to get like a lot a lot better at recognizing these situations.

Lorpugo said:

you played well until river, then this shove does not make sense he is calling only if he hets the flush. Check and maybe fold to a shove

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3bet pot, dude. which one flush? Ax including AK and A6 A7, 66, 77

Yes sometimes just have to fold on these bad rivers if they jam. It is 50 bbs. If you got 1000 such spots a year it is 50 000 big blinds. If villain jams here take all time bank and ask yourself can he bluff here representing flush or is he such a fish to value jam ace on that spot

I think it's played absolutely fine.The one thing id change though is id just jam the turn.Any made hand will still call and possibly still some combo draws.The straight and flush draw does complete but villain still has a'lot of worse hands to get value from and we aren't ever check folding the river here.

I think the hand is played well. I guess you could check the river, but I'm check calling and never folding to villain's bet on the river. If he back doored a flush or a gut shot, oh well, reload. I'm fine with your shove there too, getting value from aces up and worse sets. I am guessing from the tone of the post that villain hit a gutshot/flush. Don't worry about the result if so.

First of after 7 hands V is running what I’d expect to level out at as aggro yard type stats. Not a massive sample size but especially if V has been over aggro post flop I’d treat him as such and adjust accordingly. A great player type to get KK against.

The 3B size oop is a touch small. Not terrible but we can squeeze an extra BB or two here.

The flop checks good if we’re doing it because post flop tendencies mean we’re likely to face a bet. We crush the deck at this point. With aggro fish we get a wider betting range than calling range in general.

The turn c/r is a shame but since V is betting so little it’s necessary. It’s a good size since we need to be thinking about getting stacks in on the turn. The turn call narrows down V’s range. AA, 66, 55, Kx, Ax, two pair and draws.

The river shove is good. We can get called by lots of worse hands. V could definitely have a random flush or straight here. But to value bet we need to be able to get called by over 50% of hands that are worse than ours. That’s easily possible. I will say most aggro fish will have a bigger betting range than calling range so a c/c line isn’t bad. But once we raise the turn there’s more of a chance of a check down so I’m 50/50 in this spot.

Wp nh.

This hand is ok.but i shove turn not c/r to this sizing cause i go extremely polar here obviously with KK and 78. Villain can have many worse hands that will call but most likely wont bluff or bet if you check river.. You are at the top of your range and you did what you should do, get it in for value. Scared mentality is your enemy not the way you played this hand. And tilt + good cant go in the same sentence in Poker

You played the hand well. Unfortunate river. But my two cents: These type of aggro people you have to check (no pun intended ) early. Let them know that if they bet into your blinds its gonna be a long day. Because they're not folding stations, rather calling stions. I probably would play your strategy 80% time and have the same thought process. But again oop, even with a set on the flop, these folks (donkeys I call em) will call you down just to get lucky. And while that is a bad strategy in the long run for them; I always make sure in the first encounter I have with them playing all aggro and crazy that I get maximum chips as quickly as possible mainly on rainbow boards . It's always harder to get paid off oop then ip imo and that's why someone with those stats even 7 hands in you gotta set the tone--to not be trifled with.

TinkCzru said:

You played the hand well. Unfortunate river. But my two cents: These type of aggro people you have to check (no pun intended ) early. Let them know that if they bet into your blinds its gonna be a long day. Because they're not folding stations, rather calling stions. I probably would play your strategy 80% time and have the same thought process. But again oop, even with a set on the flop, these folks (donkeys I call em) will call you down just to get lucky. And while that is a bad strategy in the long run for them; I always make sure in the first encounter I have with them playing all aggro and crazy that I get maximum chips as quickly as possible mainly on rainbow boards . It's always harder to get paid off oop then ip imo and that's why someone with those stats even 7 hands in you gotta set the tone--to not be trifled with.

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So how do you get maximum chips from them as early as possible? Do you wait for a good hand and then bet 3 streets for value? Cuz that requires waiting. If they're not folding then you definitely need to wait until you get a solid hand right?

kceow2981 said:

So how do you get maximum chips from them as early as possible? Do you wait for a good hand and then bet 3 streets for value? Cuz that requires waiting. If they're not folding then you definitely need to wait until you get a solid hand right?

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You're ignoring everything I said. 80% of the time and even maybe 85 I'm playing the hand the same way. But donkeys will be donks, and with those preflop stats he's not folding. So "in this specific situation" I would've led out oop on the flop. (In this specific situation --all things being equal)

As to your last point, in position no. More power in position so we can dance with them preflop with value hands. But out of position yes. We have to wait imo.

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