$5 NLHE 6-max: KK on button

$5 NL HE 6-max: KK on button

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its folded to me on button.. KcKd..
SB folds, BB takes a little while then calls.. been playing against him a couple of hands and knows he likes to defend his blind... also he bluffs a lot on the turn when checked back by the original raiser...

so i raise 17c SB folds BB calls pot: 36c

flop comes KhKs8d, SB checks....

what do we do?

Bet, because the BB likes to spew and play back at you and no one is folding any pair for 1 bet on this flop. Hell, you probably get calls from ace high and other such rubbish.

I agree, bet. Don't get crazy with FPS. This is one of those hands were you likely get paid off as a habitual blind stealer. Your range here is extremely wide, and this isn't a particular scary flop for A high, lots of small pairs, etc.

I would not, however, bet/raise because you're worried about nothing and you have position. Just bet/call. If he leads the turn again, call, raising only if the original bet is ridiculously small. Raise or bet the river, obviously. Smile smugly as you stack the chips.

I check.
Sure we'll get a street or two of action from pocketpairs if we bet now but I;d rather let him spew with all his range on the turn and river.
If he doesn't bet the turn after we check we throw a half pot bet out then follow the river up with another.
We get two streets of value against pps still yet give him the chance to spew.

Deco said:

I check.
We get two streets of value against pps still yet give him the chance to spew.

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Doesn't betting give him a chance to spew, but just spew bigger?

mrjohnson911 said:

he bluffs a lot on the turn when checked back by the original raiser...

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c9h13no3 said:

Doesn't betting give him a chance to spew, but just spew bigger?

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I'm goin with the read on the above post and tbh I prefer checking back in general as it makes me look weaker than merely c-betting.

Obviously you and I know that if anything not c-betting that board looks much stronger than simply c-betting it and inducing a checkraise bluff.
I just don't think your average 5NL player is gunna know that or be capable of checkraise bluffing.
The Spew I mostly see at low stakes is the "Yoo haz checked now I must bluff you" rather than "Your going to c-bet all your range on a flop this dry and a very small percentage of it is going to call my check raise as I am representing trips hence I have fold equity to checkraise my air"

Dude, I can't count the number of times I've been check/min-raised on boards like this and its been air. Villain expects you to c-bet, he defends his blind, so he's not just going to give up on a flop like this where its unlikely you hit. Since villain didn't donk-bet this flop (the most likely way 'tards like to bluff at boards like this) I think c-betting this is oh-so-standard.

And besides, villain doesn't have to be "bluffing" to check/raise us. I've been check-raised on boards like this by pocket 4's and such. IMO this is just not a good board to slow play on as there are plenty of hands that will call a bet.

"also he bluffs a lot on the turn when checked back by the original raiser..." with this read I would check back on the flop but this is not my default line. This depends more on the villian that I'm playing with. Against an unknown I usually bet

c9h13no3 said:

Bet, because the BB likes to spew and play back at you and no one is folding any pair for 1 bet on this flop. Hell, you probably get calls from ace high and other such rubbish.

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