$5 NLHE 6-max: KJs in BB versus min raise from button, 4x 3bet from SB

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  1. button min raises
  2. sb 4x raises
  3. should hero from BB call raise or fold in this spot?
  4. SB stats: 25/17/4
  5. Button Stats: 37/17/2

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Not going to flat here as BTN is acting behind and KJ easily to be dominated by either SB/BTN ranges, so I would 4bet bluff to isolate or fold.

Given SB is a tight player, I am 100% folding here but KQs/QJs I would choose to flat
 
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Not going to flat here as BTN is acting behind and KJ easily to be dominated by either SB/BTN ranges, so I would 4bet bluff to isolate or fold.

Given SB is a tight player, I am 100% folding here but KQs/QJs I would choose to flat


was thinking of 4bet bluffing, which is why i wanted to post this hand. i cannot see myself calling either
 
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4bet bluffing is ok and a better option than calling.I don't really cold 4bet bluff that much though tbh and usually look for hands like AQs to do it with either that or ill be 4bet folding hands like TT JJ in spots like this.
 
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I'm calling here and seeing a flop. My hand is fit or fold. So it either hits the flop hard or I'm folding to any action
 
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Good fold mate, chances are his hand is better than top 5% with that kind of 3bet.


KJs vs top 5% of hands(88+, AJs, KQs, AKo)
33% equity(32.59% win, 0.51% tie... 32.745% true equity)
Equity needed to call... 35 to go... 55 in pot... 90 including your call...
35/90 = 38.9

However, against aggressive opponents you CAN call here. They will be giving out a big cbet on the flop no matter which card comes so THEORETICALLY as long as you can tell whether you are ahead or behind without getting too attached, calling is +EV vs aggressive players, however you will have some bad beats vs JJ+ and maybe AQ your suit/AJo/AKo which is a BIG part of the villains range, so I'd fold unless I felt very comfortable post flop vs said villain.

I don't see 4bet bluffing being very profitable UNLESS you know the villain fold to a lot of 4bets. For a 3x 4Bet to be +EV (Raising to $1.20) you would need your villain to fold AT LEAST 25% of the time and I feel like he would be calling a lot of 3x 4bets without having any information on him PLUS you would still have to be very comfortable playing against him post flop after the 4bet else you lose EV there, I wouldn't attempt a 3x 4bet unless I felt the villain would fold about 35%+ of the time as with pots that large, a lot of villains will shove any two cards or pair they hit on the flop which I am not always comfortable playing against.
 
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