$5 NLHE 6-max: Is it right to check the river here with the best hand?

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iPoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 1)
Hero (BB): 139.2 BB
UTG: 57 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 19.70, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 66)
MP: 105.8 BB (VPIP: 44.90, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
CO: 75.8 BB (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BTN: 107.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6:diamond: 2:spade:

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) 2:club: 2:diamond: 8:heart:
Hero checks, MP bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (10.4 BB, 2 players) 6:club:
Hero checks, MP bets 5.2 BB, Hero calls 5.2 BB

River: (20.8 BB, 2 players) K:heart:
Hero checks, MP...(to be revealed later)

Im thinking, that I have the best hand here, and MP is completely oblivious to the possibility of my full house.

I checked the flop because i think he would fold to any aggression here and my best chance for value is to let him try to bluff me. Same thing with the flop. And again with the river, I'm thinking he's only calling a bet if he has a king, otherwise my only chance for value is to let him bet.
 
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please dont defend 62o against MP, dont defend it against any position...

First thing that brought my attention is that he is 44/12 dunno what is his ag factor but i simply dont see him firing a 3rd barrel without a hand that would also called turn raise, so would probably call flop but raise turn, tho his sizing shows that he is kinda slowly giving up and dont be surprised that you might get lot of folds but i would be tempted to raise cuz you also might get lot of check back on the river. Raise turn IMO, definitely raise river as played, you can also run into better boats here, dont be surprised if you see few of those every now or then.
The reason why i would raise turn is that there is a lot of cards on the river that can kill the action or even worse kill your hand for example he might easily check back to this king, he would also easily do it to another 8 or 6 if they dont help him, if they do help him youre easily beat here, raise turn might force his overpair or 2 pair hands to stackoff...
 
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Fold pre-flop.

If he's aggro, then check the river. If not, or unsure, then just value bet.
 
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6,2 of just lol are you playing razz or holdem hehe
 
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I defended the blind because he is an extremely passive player. His minraise suggests he has Broadway cards but not pairs and probably not AK or suited connectors. He was already isolated and would be extremely easy to bluff off any board that didn't connect with his hand. I think I'd be burning money not to see a flop against a weak passive like this.
 
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please dont defend 62o against MP, dont defend it against any position...

First thing that brought my attention is that he is 44/12 dunno what is his ag factor but i simply dont see him firing a 3rd barrel without a hand that would also called turn raise, so would probably call flop but raise turn, tho his sizing shows that he is kinda slowly giving up and dont be surprised that you might get lot of folds but i would be tempted to raise cuz you also might get lot of check back on the river. Raise turn IMO, definitely raise river as played, you can also run into better boats here, dont be surprised if you see few of those every now or then.
The reason why i would raise turn is that there is a lot of cards on the river that can kill the action or even worse kill your hand for example he might easily check back to this king, he would also easily do it to another 8 or 6 if they dont help him, if they do help him youre easily beat here, raise turn might force his overpair or 2 pair hands to stackoff...

Nice analysis, I think you're definitely right about raising the turn
 
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Fold preflop.
Even if it gets checked to you, you should consider folding that hand instead of checking it through. I'm exaggerating here, but it's to make a point: that's like the third-worst hand in the deck and you'll be OOP the entire time vs someone that'll have a solid range. Don't even consider defending your BB with that.
If you get that hand, you click the "check/fold" button and focus on your other tables.

As played, the flop is fine, but you have to raise the turn. You can't slowplay three streets or you'll never get any value. Raising the turn also gives you the initiative so the river won't get checked behind.
And if he folds, then he wasn't firing the river anyway.

As played, definitely raise if he bets.

You either lost a lot of value here, or you got yourself stacked vs KK/88. In both cases: if you lose value the times you do hit with this crap hand, that only makes the preflop call worse. And if you got stacked, then all the more reason to not play this RIO hand in the first place.


I defended the blind because he is an extremely passive player.
So you slowplay vs someone that doesn't bet his hands, but will call with worse?
If he's passive and you hit your hand, you bet-bet-bet.
You lose a TON of value if you let the passive guy bet first. You're lucky he held something to be willing to bet two streets. He checked the river through with 99-QQ, didn't he?

I think I'd be burning money not to see a flop against a weak passive like this.
Even so. You want to see flops with him while you have position on him, and while you at least have a hand with some equity. Not one of the worst hands in the deck.
 
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Raising the turn also gives you the initiative so the river won't get checked behind.
And if he folds, then he wasn't firing the river anyway.
Could you elaborate on what you mean here? Do you mean I should check-raise the turn? And do you mean that would make him more likely to call a bet on the river because it looks like continuing aggression?


So you slowplay vs someone that doesn't bet his hands, but will call with worse?
If he's passive and you hit your hand, you bet-bet-bet.
You lose a TON of value if you let the passive guy bet first. You're lucky he held something to be willing to bet two streets. He checked the river through with 99-QQ, didn't he?
He checked the river and mucked. So I don't know but I put him on a range here of something like 1010+/AKo/A10s+/KQs

Does that sound about right? (edit:although I suppose if he had a king he would have fired the river... I guess he's not betting anything on the river that he wouldn't also call with)
 
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Could you elaborate on what you mean here? Do you mean I should check-raise the turn? And do you mean that would make him more likely to call a bet on the river because it looks like continuing aggression?
Yes, check/raise the turn, because if you don't, then he's going to check the river through often. Apparently that's what happened.

If you check/call the turn, then you're only getting value from the river if you donk.
To avoid that, you check/raise the turn (he's not continuing now with anything he wouldn't continue on the river, so if he folds we weren't getting any more value out of him anyway).
By check-raising the turn, you can bet the river and it'll be just your continued aggression, without the need to donk, and without risking it getting checked through.
 
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Awesome thanks! So much to learn lol. The more I learn about poker, the more I realize how much more I have yet to learn haha. Hopefully these things will be second nature to me after enough practice.
 
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