$5 NLHE 6-max: Did I play this right? Just need a reality check...

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This is not a really interesting hand. However, I just want to see what everyone has to say about it. I have been playing very aggressively in "Zone" the past few days. It seems to be working well for me. But perhaps, I am just a donkey on a heater...

$5 NLHE "Zone"

Villain is UTG + 1 $3.24 chips
Hero is BTN $14.46 chips

preflop
Hero has :qd4: :kd4:

villain opens for $0.15
Hero raises to $0.40

villain calls, all others fold.

flop $0.87 :6s4: :8d4: :2d4:

villain checks.
Hero bets $0.60
Villain ships it for $2.84
Hero calls.

turn :ah4:
river :3d4:

I can't figure out how to do the "spoiler" thing to show results. I may need some help with this in the future.

I would like to know from the fellow CCers if my line is ok, and if I played ok. I thought considering my stack and his, it was an easy call (at least I thought so).
 
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Giving your overs only 3 outs to account for the times he has AA/KK/QQ/AK/sets etc, I think it's fine. Your only call is when you're getting just under 2 to 1 (and you're maximizing fold equity with each bet) which you have covered.
 
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I wouldn't 3-bet pre when unknown opens UTG+1. As played, bet flop bigger and obviously snap call shove.
 
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baudib1 said:
I wouldn't 3-bet pre when unknown opens UTG+1. As played, bet flop bigger and obviously snap call shove.
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This is good advice.

In my defense, I kept running into these people opening hands that play horribly OOP. People play pretty passive, pretty loose, and seem oblivious to position. But yes, K-Q suited is kinda weak to 3-bet... I agree. About the bottom of my 3-bet range for BTN.

Why bet bigger? I don't like to bloat the pot too much in this spot....Should I? Could you expand on this a bit?
 
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Too late, you've already bloated the pot by 3-betting pre.

If you didn't realize that you were pot committed on any remotely favorable flop given villain's stack size then just flat.

We've flopped enormous equity with a low SPR yet little showdown value. Villain is a fish and unlikely to fold any pair on this flop but we might as well generate as much fold equity as possible. Betting pot or even just shipping the flop will produce profitable situations for us; for sure he'll have Ax hands that he can fold. If you get into this spot with JJ+ you could probably just do the same.
 
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I might run into trouble in this spot, but is it wrong to sometimes just check the flop and take the free card? A lot of fishy players will check-raise the flop (its just the popular thing to do nowadays, all the cool kids are doing it!)

If my opponent has a larger stack or for example when I am playing high limits, I will play cautiously in that spot knowing that there are a lot of cards in the deck that will make my hand stronger than whatever he is holding.

On this matter I am split: I am afraid of the check raise pushing me off my drawing hands. Depending on my read and story I want to tell (or confound you with) I will vary my betting in this position.

Sometimes making it look like I want to take away your odds at the draw if I don't think you will check-raise me but its because I don't want you to peg me for my hand.

If I get warning signs of strength (like UTG raises) I say just allow the free card, hell peel one off it doesn't scare me, hope its the :ad4:
 
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baudib1 said:
Too late, you've already bloated the pot by 3-betting pre.

If you didn't realize that you were pot committed on any remotely favorable flop given villain's stack size then just flat.

We've flopped enormous equity with a low SPR yet little showdown value. Villain is a fish and unlikely to fold any pair on this flop but we might as well generate as much fold equity as possible. Betting pot or even just shipping the flop will produce profitable situations for us; for sure he'll have Ax hands that he can fold. If you get into this spot with JJ+ you could probably just do the same.
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What I meant by not bloating the pot was this...

I did not expect villain to raise. What I expected was what all passive fish do - call. Then if I miss on the turn, I will have to bet a little less because I didn't bet bigger on the flop.

When villain raised I was happy to get it in. But I thought he would just call and I may have to double barrel.
 
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NvrBlufn said:
I might run into trouble in this spot, but is it wrong to sometimes just check the flop and take the free card? A lot of fishy players will check-raise the flop (its just the popular thing to do nowadays, all the cool kids are doing it!)

If my opponent has a larger stack or for example when I am playing high limits, I will play cautiously in that spot knowing that there are a lot of cards in the deck that will make my hand stronger than whatever he is holding.

On this matter I am split: I am afraid of the check raise pushing me off my drawing hands. Depending on my read and story I want to tell (or confound you with) I will vary my betting in this position.

Sometimes making it look like I want to take away your odds at the draw if I don't think you will check-raise me but its because I don't want you to peg me for my hand.

If I get warning signs of strength (like UTG raises) I say just allow the free card, hell peel one off it doesn't scare me, hope its the :ad4:
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Thanks for the input man.

As for UTG + 1 raises. It has been brought up by others also.

You guys are giving these guys in $5 NL too much credit. This particular villain probably doesn't even know what UTG means, let alone knows what kind of hand he should have to raise here. I know this because I saw the showdown. Total fish.

However, sometimes I do take a free card. Of course this can be a good line, as people do C/R a lot more lately. But in this particular hand, I took the reigns and 3-bet preflop. I thought based on the strength I showed preflop, it would look silly for me to check back here. Villain may then think I was out of line. This could lead to me facing a tough decision when I miss on turn, and he donk ships into me.

I am just telling you why I did what I did. I am totally open to different views and opinions. I just thought it may be good to see what others had to say about a common situation I find myself in.
 
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Beanfacekilla said:
Thanks for the input man.

As for UTG + 1 raises. It has been brought up by others also.

You guys are giving these guys in $5 NL too much credit. This particular villain probably doesn't even know what UTG means, let alone knows what kind of hand he should have to raise here. I know this because I saw the showdown. Total fish.

However, sometimes I do take a free card. Of course this can be a good line, as people do C/R a lot more lately. But in this particular hand, I took the reigns and 3-bet preflop. I thought based on the strength I showed preflop, it would look silly for me to check back here. Villain may then think I was out of line. This could lead to me facing a tough decision when I miss on turn, and he donk ships into me.

I am just telling you why I did what I did. I am totally open to different views and opinions. I just thought it may be good to see what others had to say about a common situation I find myself in.
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Yeah I don't have a problem with the 3bet pre-flop. This works on tight tables and loose tables as well. I like the show of strength! How can taking the lead when you have position be a bad thing ever?!

As far as the line: small 3 bet pre-flop reads as a strong hand (thinking like AJs+) but not an overpair. In this case your continuation bet seems weak. Expect the check raise.

If you had bet more pre-flop thinking this is a bad player, right? Then you could hammer the flop with a pot-sized bet or an overbet and then you read really strong like AA/KK/SET

I wasn't thinking about the fact that it was $5 NL, I was actually imagining that you were playing $500 NL. If he started the hand with $324 and you were up $1400.

This would be nearly a quarter of your stack so while losing $3.24 against him doesn't seem bad, it would really alter me to lose $324 this hand so I think I would take a different line.

If I am 3 betting from the button I am going bigger (4-5x his bet) opens up more options on the flop. Take the reigns & yank... HARD
 
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NvrBlufn said:
Yeah I don't have a problem with the 3bet pre-flop. This works on tight tables and loose tables as well. I like the show of strength! How can taking the lead when you have position be a bad thing ever?!

As far as the line: small 3 bet pre-flop reads as a strong hand (thinking like AJs+) but not an overpair. In this case your continuation bet seems weak. Expect the check raise.

If you had bet more pre-flop thinking this is a bad player, right? Then you could hammer the flop with a pot-sized bet or an overbet and then you read really strong like AA/KK/SET

I wasn't thinking about the fact that it was $5 NL, I was actually imagining that you were playing $500 NL. If he started the hand with $324 and you were up $1400.

This would be nearly a quarter of your stack so while losing $3.24 against him doesn't seem bad, it would really alter me to lose $324 this hand so I think I would take a different line.

If I am 3 betting from the button I am going bigger (4-5x his bet) opens up more options on the flop. Take the reigns & yank... HARD
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OK. I can see how full pot might be a little better. Stronger.

However, for whatever reason over the years, I usually bet 2/3~3/4 pot for my c-bets. I never really change it up all that much. But in the future I think I may take your advice and pot it more often.
 
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with two big over cards and the 2nd nut flush draw, plus the stacks, him with 3$ and u with 14.5$ ... u really almost had no choice but to go all the way with that hand, even if ur up against a set u have decent odds to win (which is the 2nd worse thing for u in this spot, the worse is you against nut flush draw, hand like A10 or AJ of diamonds ... in this case ur in terrible shape)
 
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I think your call here is acceptable. You have two overs the board as well as the flush draw. I think the opponent here either has an over pair or an A flush draw.
Since the loss limited to the final $2 I think this is a good call
 
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