$5 NLHE 6-max: Did I incorrectly fold here?

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$5 NL HE 6-max: Did I incorrectly fold here?

Hey guys...did I incorrectly fold here?

Stacks:
* UTG with $6.52
* MP with $4.78
* CO with $2.20
* BTN with $1.24
* SB with $2.88
* BB with $5.00

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Blinds: $0.02/$0.05
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to MP:9♥ 9♠
* * Sklansky group 3
Preflop:
* * UTG raises to $0.20
* * Hero calls [$0.20]
* * 4 players folded.
* * Total folds this street: 4
* * Potsize: $0.47
Flop:
* * 7♥ 3♦ 5♠
* * UTG bets [$0.25]
* * 4 players fold.
* * Hero raises to $0.50
* * UTG raises to $6.32, and is all in
* * 1 players fold.
* * Uncalled bet of $5.82 returned to UTG
* * UTG wins the pot ($1.38)
* * Total folds this street: 1

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Any reads/stats on villain?

Why are u raising the flop if u dont intend to stack off?
There are no draws we need protection from and this kinda plays like a wa/wb(even if the wa part can be despuited) spot imo.

If your raising because u have some info(in witch case please share that info in the OP) that he will call the flop wide(7x,5x, gutters ect) but only raise with a very narrow range then your line is fine imo, but if you just thought wow i have a overpair i better raise here then your line is dumb.

Im also not thrilled about the size of your raise, if u think he will call with worse here go for more value, since in the end thats what 5nl is all about, getting max value.

Asuming he is a unknown i fold here aswell but if he is a unknown i dont raise the flop since where mostly just getting re-raised by better and folding out worse(where still geting calls from stuff like 7x and some pair+gutshoot but thouse hands aint really a big part of a unknowns UTG raising range).
About the only hands we beat asuming he isnt a maniac are A7 and 88 so folding is the best play imo.

If he is a spewmonkey we should obv be stacking off.

You really should have a plan before you raise what your gonna do if re-raised and what our plan is on the turn if called.
Are we checking back most turns? or do you think u can get value from worse on J turn? what about a 2 on the turn?


Edit: This just my nit picking but why dont you have auto reload turned on? Turn it on so you allways have 100BB and dont have to manualy reload and miss out on hands when u get stacked ;).
 
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If your raising because u have some info(in witch case please share that info in the OP) that he will call the flop wide(7x,5x, gutters ect) but only raise with a very narrow range then your line is fine imo, but if you just thought wow i have a overpair i better raise here then your line is dumb.

So instead of raising should he just call?

Also to the Op, I too am not thrilled about the size of your raise. Try raising about 3x their bet, a min raise is weak
 
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Yes.
Against unknowns and basicly every one that isnt a maniac/station im calling the flop.
Where not geting it in vs worse very often, where not geting multi streets of value from worse so we should just peel the flop and try to get to a cheap showdown.
 
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Pre-flop, fold all three bet, do not call.

His range is very very strong here. So three betting might seem pointless. However, your call, from early position, suggests a hand of middling strength. You are inviting a squeeze from the button.

Post flop I like the idea of the three bet. However on this board, what were you representing? Any board that looks scary to UTG will look very scary to you. That board certainly didn't hit UTG's range, however, by re-raising and re-raising so small you are putting yourself in a difficult situation. Even if UTG had something like TT, which is the type of hand that makes up the bulk of his range, he would have difficulty folding domain reraise on the flop.

Therefore, I would recommend folding metal pairs in this position to UTG raise because you are not guaranteed position. You are not guaranteed to see a flop. And you are going against a player with a very strong range.. Post flop. You are not going to know where you are. You may well have been re-bluffed of the best hand, although to be honest, I very much doubt it.
 
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Thanks guys for your comments

Hi Stu,

Yes I would have folded my nines to a three bet preflop

Flop raise, you are correct, I cant really represent anything, I just felt that if he was raising with a weak pair or a strong ace or a suited connector hand of some kind my reraise would push him off of it, and if he was indeed very strong well my re raise would have given me information that he was indeed very strong. And yes my reraise amount was too small.

I understand your rational for folding 99 in MP preflop to an UTG raise...but I feel that 6 handed, its worth calling a raise thats not too big to see a flop with 99. I would maybe fold mini pairs like 22-66 but even if I dont hit a set I feel 99 still has a good amount of value.

Hi Sindri,

No particular info on this player he hadnt done anything out of the ordinary.

Yes the size of my reraise wasnt good

See above for my rational for raising, it wasnt simply because I had an overpair to the board.

Your explanation for calling instead of raising is good and I will take it into consideration.

As for having a turn plan, absolutely correct, If I was reraised on the flop which I was, I felt it would indicate that im likely beat, and if he called then I would reevaluate ,with position, when the turn card came.

And yes I should be on max stack mode too
 
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Pre-flop, fold all three bet, do not call.

His range is very very strong here. So three betting might seem pointless. However, your call, from early position, suggests a hand of middling strength. You are inviting a squeeze from the button.

Post flop I like the idea of the three bet. However on this board, what were you representing? Any board that looks scary to UTG will look very scary to you. That board certainly didn't hit UTG's range, however, by re-raising and re-raising so small you are putting yourself in a difficult situation. Even if UTG had something like TT, which is the type of hand that makes up the bulk of his range, he would have difficulty folding domain reraise on the flop.

Therefore, I would recommend folding metal pairs in this position to UTG raise because you are not guaranteed position. You are not guaranteed to see a flop. And you are going against a player with a very strong range.. Post flop. You are not going to know where you are. You may well have been re-bluffed of the best hand, although to be honest, I very much doubt it.

Nothing personal but I hate this post so much am gunna stick my dick in it and rape it everywere.

His range is very strong? its 5NL UTG isn't going to know what early position means nevermind actually implement positional play!

Our call from early position doesn't represent anything as they aint paying attention to our hand! Do you really think this unknown 5NL player has us pegged with a middling pair right now?

Again the button is going to know what a squeeze is? People at 5NL squeeze? I'd say about 2% of the 50NL population squeezes I suspect this will be less so at 5NL.

wtf are metal pairs? Calling with our pairs is so +EV at 5NL I could cry. were getting odds to setmine and these guys are gunna pay us off more, let us see more board cards and let us see more flops. Seriously I think RAFC should sue you for telling him to fold 99 in this spot!

So ye sorry, I love you very much Stu and I'd normally be less blunt but my fit flat mate is keeping me awake by having very noisy sex in the next room so I'm not a very happy bunny:mad:
 
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As for the hand without reads I fold.
Im gunna be controversial and say your raise was fine (other than it being a minraise). We aint turning our hand into a bluff as this guy will call with worse, what more we want to weed out the air in his range because there is so much of it and it has pretty decent equity against us.

So ye our raise protects our hand gets us value and gives us information in the form of if he 3bets he's more than likely got us beat.
Normally I'd call here but its 5NL therefore this guy will have loads of 7s, 5s paired gutshots and pocketpairs he will happily call a raise with. If an overard comes on the turn we not only lose value from the range I just stated but we if we had called we wouldn't know were we are at because theres a big load of air in his range.
 
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Nothing personal but I hate this post so much am gunna stick my dick in it and rape it everywere.

His range is very strong? its 5NL UTG isn't going to know what early position means nevermind actually implement positional play!

Our call from early position doesn't represent anything as they aint paying attention to our hand! Do you really think this unknown 5NL player has us pegged with a middling pair right now?

Again the button is going to know what a squeeze is? People at 5NL squeeze? I'd say about 2% of the 50NL population squeezes I suspect this will be less so at 5NL.

wtf are metal pairs? Calling with our pairs is so +EV at 5NL I could cry. were getting odds to setmine and these guys are gunna pay us off more, let us see more board cards and let us see more flops. Seriously I think RAFC should sue you for telling him to fold 99 in this spot!

So ye sorry, I love you very much Stu and I'd normally be less blunt but my fit flat mate is keeping me awake by having very noisy sex in the next room so I'm not a very happy bunny:mad:

Metal pairs are a result of me retraining my voice recognition software, expect wooden connectors and plastic aces for the next few days.
 
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So he was right

So, his fold was correct but the guy might have been pushing with top pair with an ace kicker though. Then his pocket 9's would have been good.
 
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