$5 NLHE 6-max: I have trouble playing against super maniac luck boxes...

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iPoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 116.4 BB (VPIP: 96.30, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 69.23, hands: 27)
UTG: 83.8 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
CO: 105.2 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
BTN: 97 BB (VPIP: 6.00, PFR: 6.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
Hero (SB): 121 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9:spade: 9:heart:

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 5 BB, CO calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, BB raises to 15 BB, fold, Hero raises to 20 BB, BB raises to 25 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, BB raises to 35 BB, Hero raises to 40 BB, BB calls 5 BB

Flop: (85 BB, 2 players) T:spade: K:spade: 4:spade:
Hero bets 81 BB, BB calls 76.4 BB

Turn: (237.8 BB, 2 players) 5:heart:

River: (237.8 BB, 2 players) 4:club:


the guys 3 bet stat was higher than his PFR... WTF:confused:
so i figured if i just kept minraising he'd go all in with some junk... i guess i should have just shoved after the 5bet
 
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I think you should just call pre. Even if his 3-bet is that high, you don't know if he calls allins with every hand.
the shove on the flop is not good imo, since there is no worse hand than yours which would call.

I would call pre and check the flop, then see what your opponents do and evaluate again.
 
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fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 5 BB, CO calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, BB raises to 15 BB, fold, Hero raises to 20 BB, BB raises to 25 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, BB raises to 35 BB, Hero raises to 40 BB, BB calls 5 BB
Dude, WTF? You don't win against super maniac luck boxes by gambling alongside them. You win by making a hand and letting them hang themselves.
It would also be easier if you were seated on their left instead of their right. ;)

Just call the initial 3-bet. Great odds for setmining.


Flop shove is horrible. These guys will bet 100% of their range, but they're not calling that light. Shoving this board ensures you're only getting called by better.

the guys 3 bet stat was higher than his PFR... WTF:confused:
That just means he had less opportunities to 3-bet than he had to raise.

In the freeroll yesterday, my PFR was higher than my VPIP at one point early on because I had only been (open-)raising until then, but had folded a hand where I was facing a shove (so I could only call, not raise). This meant that my VPIP was calculated on one hand more than my PFR, making my PFR bigger.
Same principle.
 
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Call the 3bet lol but once he raises to 15bb just go all in! Min raising him back is just odd... How the **** was there so many reraises for 40bb haha.

This is tilting. You're struggling to let go of 99 just because he may be doing this with 52o.
 
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i think i have this mentality that i should just get it all in pre with pocket pairs and AKs against these players...
a few hands earlier i saw him call a 4bet with 84 suited and took his flopped pair of 4s to showdown.

this hand, villain showed up with
AK offsuit

I ended up felting him by winning two coin flips against him...

but like these players just get in my head somehow and i feel like i need to take their money before someone else does.

and yeah even though it was a small sample size, he 3bet 11 times out of 16 possible times. basically 3 betting any hand where he had position or was in the blinds
 
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Having just lost to 7s2s in a similar situation, I'm wondering why you thought that shoving with 99 when there were two over-cards and 3 spades on board was the way to go. Based on your comments, its sounds like your emotions dictated your play. 3-betting a lot in 6-max in position, or like you say in the blinds (presumably to isolate) isn't a bad strategy, especially if the player doing it can get under your skin (like he did).

My suggestion - check your emotions at the door. If that's not possible, switch tables or take a break.
 
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Yeah, I though you had lines like this in your arsenal.
 
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My suggestion - check your emotions at the door. If that's not possible, switch tables or take a break.

Good point. Sometimes that's easier said than done though. Any suggestions on how to keep emotions from interfering with my game?
 
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Good point. Sometimes that's easier said than done though. Any suggestions on how to keep emotions from interfering with my game?

Mental Game of Poker - Jared Tendler
 
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Bad bad bad. Just because someone is a bad maniac doesn't mean you should play them like you're a bad maniac too. Always play your best game no matter what. The cards don't have emotions and give zero f**ks about how much money you want to give away. Now drop and give me 20 💪🏻😆
 
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10bet me? Lol. I remember someone 6-bet shoving the turn on me with the K high flush on a paired board at 25NL. I just kept clicking it back with a FH because I found it amusing. The clickbacks at the micros, lol. Nobody really does that anymore at the higher stakes.

This spot sucks because you're OOP, and 99 does not play well postflop at all in 4-bet/5-bet pots. I would either call the 3-bet or just 4-bet jam on him. We should get a lot of folds and pick up 14.5bb in dead money. And if we get called, we should have pretty decent equity vs him. 4-bet jamming is probably the best option. Cold-calling isn't that great though, as our hand cannot withstand much pressure from multiple barrels. His range is so wide, and you can't bluff catch OOP that well when he goes barrel happy on boards that have a million overcards.

I always switch tables if there is an super aggro 3-bettor who has position on me. There's no need to fight back and prove anything, especially reg vs reg where the skill edge is probably not that great (if you even have one over him). I've tried 4-bet bluffing, but people at the micros/low don't fold enough to show a profit. And being in a 4-bet pot OOP totally sucks. It's also high variance, and takes at least 25-50% of your stack per 4-bet bluff. Against a crazy fish who would bluff off his stack though, just stay at the table, nit it up, and let him hang himself. Get it in pre wider too.
 
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I always switch tables if there is an super aggro 3-bettor who has position on me.

Maybe this would be the best option if I can't teach myself to be super-nitty against these types... Although I should really try to discipline myself to nit up because these guys should be easy money and even if I'm OOP against them, they are probably tilting others at the table like me.
 
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Why didn't you just get it all in pre? Don't play like a yard just because villain is one.
 
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10bet me? Lol. I remember someone 6-bet shoving the turn on me with the K high flush on a paired board at 25NL. I just kept clicking it back with a FH because I found it amusing. The clickbacks at the micros, lol. Nobody really does that anymore at the higher stakes.
Back in the day, Everest Poker removed their 5-bet cap once action was HU on their limit tables (this is from before they joined the iPoker network). I once 37-bet an opponent all-in with a well-hidden straight flush while he had the nut flush (unpaired board).
That was fun. :D


I've tried 4-bet bluffing, but people at the micros/low don't fold enough to show a profit.
Truth.
 
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I'd make it bigger pf first time round... ~19bbs. As played easy shove, you can only c/r c/cai with more post flop reads, never ever folding.
 
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I think it’s better to shove around when pot is around 20bb, he feels he can’t really fold anymore with anything. Also the preflop play, imo, makes folding almost impossible later on the hand. I’m too lazy to make calculations but giving he will call any spade, EV can’t be way too off the mark here.
As nkat says highger 3bet might be the answer to make the game easier in the later streets.
imo of course
 
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