$5 NLHE 6-max: How should I react to this? Happens a lot.

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Why I ask this.. this is very common, and I don't know how I should react to it.. I know you should float, reraise, but in theory it's all easy :)
Any advice please? Or just let it go, move and and play ABC on 5NL?

My stats on this table: 24/16 en FCBET: 35
BTN: 12/05



poker stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (BB): $6.24 (124.8 bb)
UTG: $5.20 (104 bb)
MP: $1.90 (38 bb)
CO: $3.21 (64.2 bb)
BTN: $4.87 (97.4 bb)
SB: $6.04 (120.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
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A
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3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.92) 9
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8
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9
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.92) T
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero folds

Results: $1.92 pot ($0.08 rake)
Final Board: 9
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8
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9
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T
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Hero mucked Q
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A
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and lost (-$0.95 net)
BTN mucked and won $1.84 ($0.89 net)

I put him on JJ or TT, since he is betting very strong. Maybe A9s is possible too..



and another:

CO: 24/14

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (BTN): $5.27 (105.4 bb)
SB: $5.22 (104.4 bb)
BB: $1.90 (38 bb)
UTG: $3.21 (64.2 bb)
MP: $5.76 (115.2 bb)
CO: $6.02 (120.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6
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A
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2 folds, CO raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.47) 8
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8
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J
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(2 players)
CO bets $0.35, Hero folds

Results: $0.47 pot ($0.02 rake)
Final Board: 8
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8
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J
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Hero mucked 6
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A
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and lost (-$0.20 net)
CO mucked and won $0.45 ($0.25 net)

Don't know really here.. He could have a lot, certainly the J and when I hit the A, I could be way behind too.. So this was for me an easy fold, but came some hands after the first one, so it looked like they could scare me away with a cbet..
 
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Hero (BB): $6.24 (124.8 bb)
UTG: $5.20 (104 bb)
MP: $1.90 (38 bb)
CO: $3.21 (64.2 bb)
BTN: $4.87 (97.4 bb)
SB: $6.04 (120.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q
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A
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3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.92) 9
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8
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9
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.92) T
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero folds

Results: $1.92 pot ($0.08 rake)
Final Board: 9
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8
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9
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T
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Hero mucked Q
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A
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and lost (-$0.95 net)
BTN mucked and won $1.84 ($0.89 net)

I put him on JJ or TT, since he is betting very strong. Maybe A9s is possible too..

Well what was your plan - hoping to hit an A or Q on the turn?
Don't check the flop, especially if that was your plan. If you were thinking ahead you would know you were willing to call .50 - so just lead out with that (if not more). Do it on your terms, not his. Your play was weak and that's what sets you up to look like a C-bet will push you around.
 
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I find myself in these spots all the time. One of the few situations where I have no clue what to do and trying to follow through with a plan just gets me in trouble.


He is a nit and you will not be able to extract value, just C/F.
 
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in those spots i would either lead out if I thought my hand was better than opponents or simply check/ fold. AQ is a nice hand but not when you miss the flop OOP.
 
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It's not pretty tuff to put that guy on cards.

1st situation- You have two possibilities, or he bluff you with good cards in hand (AT, AJ, AK) or he had a low pocket pair (77 to 22). I would put him on JT or this first group of cards.

2nd situation- This situation is a lot easier. It doesn't metter what he had, your hand was bad. :-D
 
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First Hand: Just to preface, I think you want to play more abc pretty much on 5nl. Given, its been a little bit since I've played it too seriously, but 3/4 of the battle is getting in situations where you are isolating fish. PS, you are on Poker Stars, which probably has 20x more fish than any other site online today. I wish I could play there....But back to the hand....getting caught in a 3bet pot with a nit out of position isn't a great thing here. Although, I do like the idea that you are 3betting in the first hand....but, I think at this level, its almost too much (unless you are isolating fish or squeezing)...I think you are probably better off flatting pre, unless you have a read on him folding to 3bets. Secondly, he is 12/5....thats pretty nitty in 6max imo...I don't expect him to be that wide here, even though he is on the button. I think you either take a stab on the flop (only because you 3bet pre and he could have completely whiffed....but this could become spewy,) and check/fold the turn or just give up on the flop and find a better spot in a pot where you have more equity. The second is probably more +ev....Extracting value and learning how to play what cards in position are probably the most important things to mastering this level imo.

Second hand:
I understand that you are on the button and want to play a little wider. But what are you expecting when you call with A6s? When you hit an ace, are you sure you are even good? The answer is no...This could be a major leak in your game.....especially @ these limits. Fold this pre. It's one thing to steal with it on the button with 2 nits on your left....but it's a whole different thing to call a raise with it. I would work on tightening up a little more.
 
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double post....
 
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Thank you for the replies already..
I don't understand: getting caught in a 3bet pot with a nit out of position isn't a great thing here.

So you'll never 3bet or call a nit OOP with AQs?
 
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What Mediablitz said.

1st hand. You need a plan and you want to consider reads. Your stats on BTN dont give hand amounts so no way to read anything pertinent into them w/o a significant amount. This flop is great to lead on, if he raises, easy fold, if he calls you have to re evaluate OTT. 3 betting and check/calling is really bad (unless you are trapping with the nutz). You only want to check this flop if you are going for a c/r, which IMO would be a good play. C/R OTT would be awesome (but some info on his tendencies would make this play easier to consider) BUT, how often does he open BTN and fold to a donk? How often does he Cbet OTF and OTT? You could also just call and lead on good flops, the options are many, and all better than passive play.

2nd hand. Passive play sucks I should know, I have lost a lot of money proving that it does. Why were you calling? To hit the flop or fold? You need to get out of that mindset.

The ranges you put your opponent on are weighted towards the obvious hands that beat you, but their ranges are probably a LOT wider than that.

Try to use spots like hand 1 (if your opponent likes to open BTN and cbet OTF-OTT) to be more aggressive, and dont be afraid to fold if he seems to like his hand after all. By playing so passive you are printing money for your opponents.



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So you'll never 3bet or call a nit OOP with AQs?"
EDIT: missed this. How many hands? 12/5 over <50 hands and >250 hands can be seen different. AND his positional stats are more important here since it is BTN vs BB.His F23B is also important, positional as well, IF a lot of hands already.
 
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Thank you for the replies already..
I don't understand: getting caught in a 3bet pot with a nit out of position isn't a great thing here.

So you'll never 3bet or call a nit OOP with AQs?

It's not like I would NEVER do this - but it is totally, 100% opponent dependent.
But of all the choices available - (C/F - C/R - C/C - Lead Out), Check Call is by far the weakest - unless you are setting up intending to bluff the turn or river (NOT AT THESE STAKES THOUGH).

But you still have not stated what your plan was when you called the flop - excuse me - CHECK called. And this is important - I have a little rule - if the plan includes the word "hope" (hope to hit an A or a Q) - well then that's a pretty weak plan, depending on the number of outs. Anything less than 8 outs is usually not worth looking at - if the plan is entirely dependent on hitting.
 
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Media (AND others..)
Thanks for the helping comments.
Well, to be honest, I'm not always up with a plan. It is something very difficult for me to learn. Whenever I have a plan (i'll estimate now I have 60% of the time a plan) it turns out to be going wrong. I've reviewed the hands afterwards and, it was most of the time because of fish keep making bad callings and carching with low or mid pair trips On river or straights..
So you are right I should always have a plan.
Now I would check and see if he would bet the flop. Had 110 hands of him and the hands I saw him leading were made hands OTF.

But I really admit that it is for me very difficult to play always with a plan.. :(
 
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And for sure plans can go wrong - that's where board and player reading skills are very important. Every turn of a card can change everything - lot's of times my plan after a flop will include "if A, B or C shows up on the turn then I am going to have to XYZ".
 
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First hand, if we're checking we should be checking with the intention to fold. Dont like c-betting that board either.

Second hand, I dont mind floating if his c-bet is high enough.
 
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First hand...check fold seems to be the easiest move against a villian like him. i cbet almost 100 percent though, so a cbet is not a bad play either

Second hand...FOLD!
 
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First hand...check fold seems to be the easiest move against a villian like him. i cbet almost 100 percent though, so a cbet is not a bad play either

Second hand...FOLD!

C-betting 100% is a big leak.
 
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