$5 NLHE 6-max: How much do you bet in this flop?

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BTN: 55.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 1)
SB: 104.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): 102.8 BB
UTG: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 59 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:club: K:club:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9.4 BB, UTG calls 6.4 BB

Flop: (19.2 BB, 2 players) 6:spade: T:club: 9:club:
Hero bets 13.8 BB, fold,
 
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40-70ish pot depending on if the player is tight or agressive
 
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Depends what you want the villain do.
If you want the villain in, then a 40-50% will keep him in.Since this kind of flop hits him.
But if you want him to fold and take the pot down a 70-90% will do the job.
I personally will bet here 55/65% and continue barreling while sizing a shove on the river.
 
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half pot bet seems totally fine in situations like this
 
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I think your sizing was perfect, and you got what you wanted. The fact is you had ace high there and didn't have to risk bricking your draws.
 
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depending on the situation. The player is against you nuts or fish. I play aggressively
 
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I would go for max fold equity, I guess what nucl says is more correct, but that requires that hero is knowledgeable enough to have plan for all streets with sizes (I'm not one of those).
 
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I personally will bet here 55/65% and continue barreling while sizing a shove on the river.
To size a pot size bet OTR->
eff_starting_stack=100.4; presize=19.2; potsize_needed_OTT=(100.4-19.2) /3 = 27
selected_flopbetsize=11; turnbetsize= potsize_needed_OTT- selected_flopbetsize=16
Sizes: pre-19.2, Flop: 41.2, Turn: 73.33, River: 220

In real time:
(100-20)/3 =~ 25
Selected flop bet size = 11, turn bet size = 25-11 + some = 20

In practice this seems to hold pretty well:
(100-20)/10 = flopbetsize = 8
turnbetsize=3* flopbetsize = 24
River bet size 80% for AI

Mind you that /10-bet rule is not mathematically sound, but seems to work in practice.

/10-bet rule can be manipulated as follows:
(100-20)/10 = flopbetsize = 8
turnbetsize=3* flopbetsize = 24

Selected flopbetsize = 12 = 8+4
turnbetsize = 24-4 = 20
 
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I prefer 30-40% bet in this kind of flop.
 
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I prefer the same sizing you used.
You want some fold equity here. If they call a big flop bet they will have mostly overpairs and sets. Then you can check call the turn with implied odds.Betting small encourages them to float with most of their range
 
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To size a pot size bet OTR->
eff_starting_stack=100.4; presize=19.2; potsize_needed_OTT=(100.4-19.2) /3 = 27
selected_flopbetsize=11; turnbetsize= potsize_needed_OTT- selected_flopbetsize=16
Sizes: pre-19.2, Flop: 41.2, Turn: 73.33, River: 220

In real time:
(100-20)/3 =~ 25
Selected flop bet size = 11, turn bet size = 25-11 + some = 20

In practice this seems to hold pretty well:
(100-20)/10 = flopbetsize = 8
turnbetsize=3* flopbetsize = 24
River bet size 80% for AI

Mind you that /10-bet rule is not mathematically sound, but seems to work in practice.

/10-bet rule can be manipulated as follows:
(100-20)/10 = flopbetsize = 8
turnbetsize=3* flopbetsize = 24

Selected flopbetsize = 12 = 8+4
turnbetsize = 24-4 = 20

Don't pay any attention to this if you want to set up for a psb otr then your goal should be to get villain to put in 1/3 of his stack by the turn.
1/3 of your stack+1/3 of villains stack=2/3 of a stack. Which is a psb otr.


As for the hand I'm not sure what your standard cbet sizing should be on this board. Tbh I think I like a bit of a smaller sizing because villains continuing range is pretty inelastic-I think. He's not folding if he has 66-QQ, hands that will fold to a bigger sizing but won't to a smaller sizing are hands like KQs which you are crushing anyways especially with your clubs. If you make a smaller bet you will fold out small pp and the hands that you want to continue such as KQ stay in the pot. Idk I could be wrong but I don't think you need to go very big even on that board texture.
 
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Don't pay any attention to this if you want to set up for a psb otr then your goal should be to get villain to put in 1/3 of his stack by the turn.
1/3 of your stack+1/3 of villains stack=2/3 of a stack. Which is a psb otr.
Try it yourself, how to implement your rule in this case and see if you have pot size bet left? After you fail on that you can read and learn the first line in quoted post to see how to solve with money invested pre. Same rule you touted modified to work in practice.

“eff_starting_stack=100.4; presize=19.2; potsize_needed_OTT=(100.4-19.2) /3 = 27”

And dividing by ten is my own formula, and as long as it woks I don’t care other rules as the practicality of it, is quite unique. Mind you that /10-bet rule is one-day old, so it might turn out that it won’t work in every case. If it works though, you should be saying how marvelous it is, because it’s close of brilliancy, imo of course =)
 
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if he had pocket fives he is folding to any size...
 
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Try it yourself, how to implement your rule in this case and see if you have pot size bet left? After you fail on that you can read and learn the first line in quoted post to see how to solve with money invested pre. Same rule you touted modified to work in practice.

“eff_starting_stack=100.4; presize=19.2; potsize_needed_OTT=(100.4-19.2) /3 = 27”
:stupid:
And dividing by ten is my own formula, and as long as it woks I don’t care other rules as the practicality of it, is quite unique. Mind you that /10-bet rule is one-day old, so it might turn out that it won’t work in every case. If it works though, you should be saying how marvelous it is, because it’s close of brilliancy, imo of course =)
Don't pay any attention to this if you want to set up for a psb otr then your goal should be to get villain to put in 1/3 of his stack by the turn .
1/3 of your stack+1/3 of villains stack=2/3 of a stack. Which is a psb otr.
:top:
 
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The size of the bet is really a question of what you want. Its a wet flop that looks to be better for Villain than Hero. Hero, has Ace high and a flush draw. Having Villain fold is not a bad out come. Betting .7x pot will usually does the trick.
 
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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 55.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 104.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): 102.8 BB
UTG: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 59 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.15, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A<font color='black'>♣</font> K<font color='black'>♣</font>

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9.4 BB, UTG calls 6.4 BB

Flop: (19.2 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='black'>♠</font> T<font color='black'>♣</font> 9<font color='black'>♣</font>
Hero bets 13.8 BB, fold,



You have so much equity in this hand with this flop I think you make more money by checking it, your raise and lead scream monster, and you're folding out the hands you would want the villain to try and stab at the pot with like his low pp's and suited broadway cards. Even if the worst card falls like an offsuit Q on the turn you would have between 11-14 outs (assuming he drew out on you with KQ and your K was dead in some scenarios) and blockers to AA and KK which you could reasonably check raise with and fold out his marginal one pair hands with a semi-bluff. this in turn sets you up for a value shove on the river if you get called and a club hits/ a check-call if the A hits, and a reasonable bluff shove if the board bricks out against his calling range.


So IMHO yes it was to high.
 
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