$5 NLHE 6-max: how do you play your low pp sets

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PokerStars - $0.05 Ante $0.01 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

RAISE2BET (BTN): 674.6 BB (VPIP: 16.47, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, hands: 172)
arale9527 (SB): 214.4 BB (VPIP: 26.56, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
Emetty (BB): 250 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
JIexa Zombi (UTG): 454.8 BB (VPIP: 31.10, PFR: 18.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.30, Hands: 306)
TiltedNoob (MP): 109.4 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
stopkontact (CO): 328 BB

arale9527 posts SB 0.4 BB, Emetty posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.6 BB) stopkontact has K:club: K:spade:

JIexa Zombi raises to 2.8 BB, fold, stopkontact raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, fold, JIexa Zombi calls 3.2 BB

Flop: (14.6 BB, 2 players) 2:spade: 5:diamond: T:heart:
JIexa Zombi checks, stopkontact bets 7 BB, JIexa Zombi calls 7 BB

Turn: (28.6 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
JIexa Zombi checks, stopkontact bets 16 BB, JIexa Zombi calls 16 BB

River: (60.6 BB, 2 players) 8:club:
JIexa Zombi checks, stopkontact bets 22 BB, JIexa Zombi calls 22 BB

stopkontact shows K:club: K:spade: (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 81%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
JIexa Zombi shows 5:spade: 5:club: (Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 19%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
JIexa Zombi wins 100.2 BB

I don't really get why villain didn't raise me along the way, it seems clear he missed a valuebet on the river?

please share your insights, how would you've played KK and more importantly how would you've played being villain?

as for my high 3bet percentage, I'm trying to isolate the button because we've had 2 all-in clashes in the last 100 hands and the pfr wasn't that agressive.
 
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I personally see you doing nothing wrong here with the continued barrel. I think villain played badly here unless he was worried about you having TT, but I think he should have definitely raised your river bet especially since you only bet just over 1/3 of the pot.
 
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Yeah I thought i'll go for thin value but valuebetted myself :D
 
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Your 3-bet% isn't high, but you need to 3-bet larger. You essentially min raised. Other than betting more on just about every street and no 3-betting enough, you played it fine. ;)
 
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Haha yeah, I absolutely hate playing hands like that when they just keep calling against your overpair.
 
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Yeah I thought i'll go for thin value but valuebetted myself :D

not really "thin" value. on that board there are a ton of worse hands that can call you, and John's right you played it too weak, you want to extract max value from your hand by betting big on every street. you'll be surprised how often they'll call you with a much worse hand. the fact that he had a set this time is irrelevant, sets are a very narrow part of his range. to get a high winrate you gotta start punching that pot button!
 
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Your play is fine here. Actually you can raise more preflop
 
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I'll keep it in mind guys :) how much do you suggest to 3bet preflop? and 70%-full pot on later streets? I opted for half pot because of the dry board.. and in addition: do you suggest bigger than pot on wet boards?

thx!
 
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I think your bets are not enough. Bet a bigger number.
 
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I'll keep it in mind guys :) how much do you suggest to 3bet preflop? and 70%-full pot on later streets? I opted for half pot because of the dry board.. and in addition: do you suggest bigger than pot on wet boards?

thx!

3bet 3x initial raise when IP and 3.5-4x when OOP. at 5nl you can often get away with betting 1/2 pot when you miss and 2/3-full pot when you hit. here i'd just bet 3/4 pot on all streets. definitely make your bets bigger on wet boards when you have a strong hand (and probably don't even bother c betting if you have nothing). e.g. if board was 89T with 2 spades, just go ahead and bet pot (or even overbet vs a total drooler) on flop and turn if no bad cards come, and if all the draws miss by the river then you can either bet again for value vs a passive fish or against a more aggressive player you can consider checking when OOP to try and induce a bluff from all the missed draws. note this is the strategy to use against bad players who chase draws a lot etc - against more thinking players you'll have to make some adjustments.
 
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It does appear that you were value betting all the way whereas i have no clue why villain played it so passive. Villain did play it poorly and clearly missed value, i would have played it faster post flop by check raising you on the flop itself and then tried to extract value myself by betting into on the turn and river. Villain here is clearly a "passive fish". :icon_pira
 
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Your 3-bet% isn't high, but you need to 3-bet larger. You essentially min raised. Other than betting more on just about every street and no 3-betting enough, you played it fine. ;)

Would you say in the neighborhood of 10-12 BB's?
 
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Would you say in the neighborhood of 10-12 BB's?

5NL ante with very deep stacks you need to break the table with the 3-bet when you have AA or KK or else you find yourself against 5 callers:) I would make it 20 if there are 2 or 3 bad players at the table and still expect 2 callers.
 
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