$5 NLHE 6-max: How bad was this turn call?

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Villian was terrible, decided to call cos i was tilted, what odds was i getting on the turn, and how could i have played this better??


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


CO: 296.6 BB (VPIP: 28.88, PFR: 25.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, hands: 190)
BTN: 47.6 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 122.6 BB (VPIP: 19.69, PFR: 10.24, 3Bet Preflop: 5.17, Hands: 129)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.45, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 9.59, Hands: 177)
Hero (UTG): 105 BB
MP: 126 BB (VPIP: 24.82, PFR: 15.60, 3Bet Preflop: 7.25, Hands: 147)


SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:diamond: Q:club:


Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, CO calls 7 BB, BTN calls 5 BB


Flop: (31.4 BB, 3 players) 2:diamond: 6:diamond: 4:club:
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks


Turn: (31.4 BB, 3 players) K:diamond:
Hero bets 9 BB, fold, BTN raises to 37.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 28.6 BB
 
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As far as turn odds I'd expect to be around 20% and pot's 1.7 to 1. As far as playing it better you could fold.
 
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You are not playing pro's online in low stakes, when armatures and recreational players re-raise you, they most always have a part of the board or a much stronger hand then what appears on the board, and as such, when the btn re-raises your 9 BB on the turn, how did you figure you were still good?

If the btn only had a pair of garbage 2's, you were still CRUSHED!

It never ceases to amaze me on how online players who hold any A[X] in their hands think that they are invincible

After your 9 BB raise was re-raised, you had enough information at that point to fold your nothing hand, but for some reason you decided pay off an additional 28.6 BB ?
 
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You are not playing pro's online in low stakes, when armatures and recreational players re-raise you, they most always have a part of the board or a much stronger hand then what appears on the board, and as such, when the btn re-raises your 9 BB on the turn, how did you figure you were still good?

If the btn only had a pair of garbage 2's, you were still CRUSHED!

It never ceases to amaze me on how online players who hold any A[X] in their hands think that they are invincible

After your 9 BB raise was re-raised, you had enough information at that point to fold your nothing hand, but for some reason you decided pay off an additional 28.6 BB ?

Easy there killer.


MattJM68 is seeking advice. That's why he posted this hand.






Preflop, opening A-Q is fine UTG.


When CO calls, and BTN min 3b here, I like the 4b, but realize by doing this, you create a bloated pot, and you are out of position. Your 4b size is too small. If 4b here, I think at least 15BB, maybe 20, or we just shove to put pressure on this CO guy.


However, one could argue a fold. CO covers you 3x, and BTN is short stacked. If you really think you have BTN beat, and there's a reason to think he is 3b light, then just jam. But I personally think 4b or fold. Don't call. But what makes you think the guy in the CO has a worse hand than you do? I would tend to think he has a good hand here, but I'm not sure.


Now, as played, on this flop, you gotta c bet man. You 4b pre, now back that up with a cbet.


As far as checking and betting the turn, na man. You have lost the initiative, and this bet is pretty optimistic. Just check fold, as played, or C/C if you are getting 4 to 1 or better pot odds.


After you bet turn, and BTN shoves, muck. Next hand. Do not call.





And lastly, My advice is based on limited information. I don't know what kind of image you have, image of the BTN, or CO. We know nothing about game dynamics whatsoever. My advice is only general, and is meant to help you in the future, hopefully.
 
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fold turn. A high on turn is not good vs reshove. Besides, if you 4-bet pre make it much higher, as V is so terrible, as you said ( and his 3bet light is pretty donkish).
 
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fold turn. A high on turn is not good vs reshove. Besides, if you 4-bet pre make it much higher, as V is so terrible, as you said ( and his 3bet light is pretty donkish).
He knows he wasn't good. He wanted to know how bad the call was with the draw. To follow up on what I said earlier, I'd expect it to be about a -13 BB expectation on average.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me on how online players who hold any A[X] in their hands think that they are invincible
True. And sadly I'm guilty of it too.....
 
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lol............ well at least you are aware of this :) :) :)
 
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