$5 NLHE 6-max: Help! I feel like I totally butchered this hand

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I cbet on the flop to see if I could take it down and ended up with more outs on the turn. Should I have just shoved the turn here?


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BB: $5.00
CO: $5.49
BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $8.34

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with Q:club: 9:club:
1 fold, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) 8:diamond: 2:diamond: K:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BTN calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.55) T:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN raises to $1.80, Hero calls $1.10

River: ($6.15) 5:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.95 all in,
 
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Bigger turn bet. Justification for 3-betting light? Read? Its a good hand to try this out with, but the play is made stronger if you have a reason behind it.
 
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Otherwise this is fine, we can check fold the river happily.
 
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Imo the turn bet looks super weak, you cbet 3/4s on the flop and then less than a third on the turn? If the villain sees you do this often enough (and you cbet a high % of flops), hes gonna try and float and raise the turn often. The 3/4 bet, <1/3, check on river is basically telling him you have nothing. Turn bet is the main mistake, I'd half pot.
 
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I cbet on the flop to see if I could take it down and ended up with more outs on the turn. Should I have just shoved the turn here?


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BB: $5.00
CO: $5.49
BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $8.34

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with Q<font color='black'>♣</font> 9<font color='black'>♣</font>
1 fold, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) 8<font color='red'>♦</font> 2<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BTN calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.55) T<font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN raises to $1.80, Hero calls $1.10

River: ($6.15) 5<font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.95 all in,

Why are we 3b here preflop? Is there some read (have not read anything but OP yet).

I don't like the 3b preflop. We can just call and defend.

Now, we have put ourselves in the cage. We bet flop, V calls. We bet turn (small), and get raised. So this pot has been bloated, and it's out of control now.


We don't have to win every single pot we play. I think it's fine to defend here, and then just c/f the flop. As it stands, V has a big hand. As played, we are getting a good price with SD+FD. V is never folding, so we don't ship here. Obv fold river.

However, we shouldn't be in this spot. This is just FPS, and you got yourself in a mess.


Edit: Position is one of the most important factors in poker. We are making things very tough on ourselves playing this way from SB. We can control the pot size IP, and control the flow of hand. We can't do that 3b from SB and double barreling with air.
 
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Any stats on BTN?
How loose/tight is he? Does he have a high "Fold to 3-bet %"?
Or is he a complete unknown?
 
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Any stats on BTN?
How loose/tight is he? Does he have a high "Fold to 3-bet %"?
Or is he a complete unknown?

I only had about 70 hands on them so really not a lot. I'm going to start posting hands with stats from now on to make it a bit easier for you guys. If I were to say anything is say they were a decent thinking reg. Not tight but not a maniac either.
 
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At first glance, Q9s is outside 3bet range even for bluff, im talking about sb vs btn. For example i 3bet Q9s as bluff at btn vs CO, but anyway, it is definitely fold pre here at least in my books.
As played im ok with cbet, we have aded equity with Ts so im ok with turn bet too, if it was blank i wouldnt 2nd barrel, sizing should be bigger tho at least 1/2 pot if you for example bet 1.5$ he would stackoff and you could call, im posting from phone and im just estimating that you would have the odds to call the turn shove with 12 outs to improve to probable best hand. As played on turn river is a fold tho im also not sure should we reraise turn after he raised... This is just quick post havent read the comments and havent look at it deeper, might edit later :D
 
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pre looks fine assuming we have a reason to think he folds too much pre or post. flop needs to be smaller, turn is awkward because of flop sizing. river obv a fold
 
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@DrazzFFT, Q9s is right on the cusp for the range I'm working on. Q10s I'm calling in SB, Q9s 3bet

@Duggs, would about 12bb on the flop have been better? Turn was wonky but more than likely because of an earlier mistake.
 
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Preflop: Re-stealing with Q9s is a little bit loose. I'd generally want at least QTs to re-steal. So I'd fold pre.

Flop: As played, I like your Cbet. This will fold out a lot of broadway cards that don't have a King in them.

Turn: Your bet sizing is a huge mistake and basically turns your hand face up. Either make a normal-sized bet (something in the $1.80 ballpark) or just check. Don't turn your hand face up like this by making these fishy blocker bets that basically give away the fact that you're on a draw. Besides, maybe if you bet $1.80, the villain might fold all pairs below Kx, so it would be beneficial for you to use this turn card as a semi-bluff and get some fold equity going for you.

River: As played, there's nothing you can do here except check/fold.
 
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@DrazzFFT, Q9s is right on the cusp for the range I'm working on. Q10s I'm calling in SB, Q9s 3bet

Yea, i actually dont have cold call range at sb, that is why my value 3bet and bluff 3bet are merged... well if its your standard bluff 3bet than its ok, tho im kinda concerned of pretty wide cold call at sb, gives pretty nice spot for bb to sqz pretty wide too, of course considering that bb is thinking player...
 
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I cbet on the flop to see if I could take it down and ended up with more outs on the turn. Should I have just shoved the turn here?


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BB: $5.00
CO: $5.49
BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $8.34

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with Q<font color='black'>♣</font> 9<font color='black'>♣</font>
1 fold, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) 8<font color='red'>♦</font> 2<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $0.75, BTN calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.55) T<font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN raises to $1.80, Hero calls $1.10

River: ($6.15) 5<font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.95 all in,

Disclaimer: I am just posting to share my opinion and am no expert so take everything here with a grain of salt. And would welcome any feedback or hole in the analysis below.

Do you have any stats on the BTN? Does he open light from the BTN or fold a lot to 3Bets? For Blind steal and re steal we have to pick our spots even with hands such as Q9s. How was your BSB dynamic with him on earlier rounds. Also your 3 bet is a bb higher, does not matter but we should just go with 3x, does the same job but saves a bb a hand in long run where we get called and give up.

Once we do fire the bullet pre flop we have to take into consideration that we are OOP the entire hand now and Villain may have a legit hand here. As such I wouldn't mind x/c the flop just to float lightly but even with leading I feel our bet was on the bigger end. If we want fold we get the same result with 40-50% pot bet and we want to keep the pot under control bc we are surely done with the hand.

OTT, again I wouldn't mind a x/c given how the V bets plus we have picked up additional outs. I would still lean towards keeping the pot under control because we are "drawing" and V flop call could definitely be a made hand like Kx pairing his king. How we played turn our bet was worse than no bet at all bc it is lower than our flop bet in absolute terms and just btw 1/3 and 1/4 of the pot. Even if Villain was on air this could give him the idea that the pot is up for steal. Also bc of our added equity, we really want to stay in the hand and keep it under control so x/c seems best.

River is ofc fold bc we cant hero call Q high anywhere in poker :p But it would be helpful if there were some stats on the villain like his AF plus FCB etc so it would be more reasonable to estimate if he is floating lightly or just trapping here. One of the main problem with our play is that we have no idea what the Villain might have and that uncertainty is always bad. But given his Flop and Turn actions I suspect KT to be a favourite here along with set possibilities but I discount them bc he then might have c/r the flop and with TT+ he might have 4bet you preflop. KTd would be golden here and given the river did not complete any draws his 2 pair would definitely deserve a fat value bet.

Generally, while playing hands I always keep the fold button close by bc I know I will always have a better situation to put my money in later. Also when making moves it is essential to remember our intention and avoid getting carried away with a hand we would not have played ideally. For steal or re steal it is better to mentally give up on the hand in case of a call and a total miss on the flop, unless Villain shows great weakness and begs us to take the pot from him. Making plays are good but it is crucial to remember when to give up and avoid FPS. Also if we feel a player is making a move on us we don't have to retaliate in the same hand and can let it go if its too speculative or risky. And if he consistently get out of line then we can snap him off when we have the best of it. By folding to their plays you actually pump up their ego and may even set them up for bigger falls if they bite!:)
 
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