$5 NLHE 6-max: Good fold with the aces?

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($13.48)
SB ($21.19)
Hero (BB) ($5.42)
UTG ($15.18)
MP ($6.16)
CO ($5.07)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A
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, A
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UTG bets $0.15, 2 folds, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.45, Button calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.82) 5
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, 8
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, J
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(3 players)
Hero bets $1.20, UTG calls $1.20, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.22) K
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Hero checks, UTG bets $2.22, Hero folds

Total pot: $4.22 | Rake: $0.18

Plan was to bet/check/shove. With the K coming down I feel he has to be polarised, seeing as I don't believe he would float AK in this spot with a person behind, and that he would check QQ down for SDV. Can we assume he has to have JJ or KK and make a fold here?

Player was 18/11 over 82 hands.
 
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This is a terrible fold. For one thing, to give him a range of QQ and the nuts is fairly absurd. He will have something stupid like T9/QT, QJ often enough.

Do you really think he bets 1/2 pot with a hand that beats aces? Get some better reads after 82 hands.
 
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If his PFR is 11 you think he raises UTG with any of those hands?
 
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ScottishMatt said:
Plan was to bet/check/shove. With the K coming down I feel he has to be polarised, seeing as I don't believe he would float AK in this spot with a person behind, and that he would check QQ down for SDV. Can we assume he has to have JJ or KK and make a fold here?

Player was 18/11 over 82 hands.
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I think this line is FPS. His range is nowhere near polarised, he can have KK/JJ but KK 4bets a lot of the time along with AK so combos are greatly diminished.

I hate folding here.

x/c actually might not be that bad.
 
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An 18/11 probably isn't positionally aware, and if he is you didn't mention it. QJs/QTs is comfortably in 11% for most people.
 
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Ok so what is the best line to take here. Guys stats indicate he is pretty nitty when it comes to putting money in the pot, he has quite a large gap between VPIP and PFR so he isn't very aggro.

So if you are right he isn't a very smart player. I really question whether a dumb player would bet QT/QJ here. Maybe an aggrotard but his stats don't indicate that he is one. I think he is too nitty to float QT here, same goes for AK. So I can beat QJ/QQ (which I doubt he would bet), and I'm beaten by 88/JJ/KK/KJ. What would you recommend I do?
 
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B/f >> x/c >> c/f imo
 
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orangepeeleo said:
B/f >> x/c >> c/f imo
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Ok so my play wasn't optimal. More important is the question why.

So could you give me a breakdown of why bet/folding is better than check/calling, or even check/folding.


Seeing as most of you guys disagree with my thought process on this hand, I would like to know what you guys think. Assuming you are right in that B/F is the best option, why are we betting? He isn't folding better so what range of hands do you feel a nitty player like this is going to pay us off with?
 
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For all the reasons mentioned already, if he's opening 11% from all positions then that's not rally all that nitty and still includes enough we beat to carry on going for value.
 
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shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything else

We have 3.60 left in a 4.22 pot here guys, seriously. Anything less than shoving value is just....not optimal.
 
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3-bet larger. If you're main read is that your opponent is tight, then allow him to get it in pre-flop, or set yourself up for an easy turn shove. Should go bet flop, shove turn if you size properly.

You can't bet/fold the turn, so either bet/call or check/call is fine. c/f and b/f is burning money.
 
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I'm betting larger on the flop and shoving the turn. Unless you had some read on this opponent, this is the only line I can see worth taking. Checking the turn doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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Fold isn't that bad. Flop is quite dry so an 18/11 villain raising UTG reps hardly any draws when he floats. If villain is as nitty as you say then it's a good fold but against almost anybody else I'm shrugging and shoving.
 
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Shove. Even with very tight ranges AJ/QQ far outweight JJ. If villain does have KJ/55/88 hands in his range he will also hold QJs/JTs/J9s/T9s hands. I think AK is unlikely but is a non-zero possiblity, more so than KK which I expect to 4bet most times the button is not a fish.
 
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ChuckTs said:
shove>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything else

We have 3.60 left in a 4.22 pot here guys, seriously. Anything less than shoving value is just....not optimal.
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^^^^^This is on my line of thinking here!!!
 
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ScottishMatt said:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($13.48)
SB ($21.19)
Hero (BB) ($5.42)
UTG ($15.18)
MP ($6.16)
CO ($5.07)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A
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, A
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UTG bets $0.15, 2 folds, Button calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.45, Button calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.82) 5
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, 8
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, J
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(3 players)
Hero bets $1.20, UTG calls $1.20, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.22) K
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(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.22, Hero folds

Total pot: $4.22 | Rake: $0.18

Plan was to bet/check/shove. With the K coming down I feel he has to be polarised, seeing as I don't believe he would float AK in this spot with a person behind, and that he would check QQ down for SDV. Can we assume he has to have JJ or KK and make a fold here?

Player was 18/11 over 82 hands.
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yep never folding here and definitely not x/f. Im on the team where we jam the turn :)

remember ppl rarely fold to 3-bets pre at 5NL. Just because they dont doesnt mean they have JJ+ / AK. But a 3-bet stat would definitely help determine his range more.
 
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pot bet flop, shove turn, eazy moneyz.
 
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