$5 NLHE 6-max: Getting my money in on a loose aggresive table

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iPoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 103.4 BB (VPIP: 59.26, PFR: 3.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 27)
UTG: 92.8 BB (VPIP: 76.47, PFR: 70.59, 3Bet Preflop: 57.14, Hands: 34)
MP: 200.2 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 17.65, Hands: 30)
CO: 92.6 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 3.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
BTN: 84 BB (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q:heart: A:diamond:

UTG raises to 2.2 BB, MP calls 2.2 BB, CO calls 2.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.8 BB, BB calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 5 players) 3:club: T:club: Q:spade:
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets 11 BB, MP calls 11 BB, CO calls 11 BB, Hero raises to 50 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 89 BB, Hero raises to 97.8 BB, CO calls 1.4 BB


UTG was an absolute maniac. who has been opening with 0.75 - 1.50 raises, and occasionally open shoving and 3 betting most standard open to 1.50-3.00 or shove. UTG suffered a big hit in the hand before this, so he opened a little more normal, but still with a huge range.

I think this is a very strange table dynamic, where players are more willing to play marginal hands when the pot isnt extremely inflated. so when I had top pair top kicker, i figured id get my money in. Im thinking when I get my money in here, the only thing that beats me is pocket Ks, pocket As, a set, or two pair. I also wanted to raise large enough to price out any flush and straight draws.

I think this may be a high variance spot, but are the odds in my favor? Did I play this correctly?
 
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3bet pre to like 12bb.

From the way it's played I feel like you're beat most of the time. Too many players in the hand I'd be surprised if they're calling with worse. Then again seems to be a lot of fish.
 
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i plugged their ranges into a equity calculator and got 54% for me against their ranges with the 4 other players included (which improved when it was reduced to just villain, although I dont know how to modify his range when he 3 bets the flop... especially since i have such a small sample of hands on bovada)

I felt like UTG would have 4bet if I 3bet. which I suppose I would have him beat most of the time here. but i think at the time, I was thinking I'd rather see a cheap flop than get raised (which is probably wrong)
 
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Yes its true really a lot of fishes, yes i think you play correctly.
 
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Squeeze preflop. Make them pay.


Given your reads I quite like the flop raise. Once the CO almost-shoves, I think you're either dead, or only marginally ahead with him having a big draw.

I'm thinking his range here is QQ/TT/33/QT/AQ/(KQ) and a bunch of AcQc/KcQc/QcJc/Qc9c/KcJc/AcKc/AcJc combos.
Gives you 33% equity, so yeah, get it in.
 
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Squeeze preflop. Make them pay.


Given your reads I quite like the flop raise. Once the CO almost-shoves, I think you're either dead, or only marginally ahead with him having a big draw.

I'm thinking his range here is QQ/TT/33/QT/AQ/(KQ) and a bunch of AcQc/KcQc/QcJc/Qc9c/KcJc/AcKc/AcJc combos.
Gives you 33% equity, so yeah, get it in.

The preflop squeeze is a play that I haven't spent much time learning about. So I guess I have no excuse not to learn more about the when and when not to. I'll definitely do some reading on it.

Villain had
KJo. I was really excited when his cards came up and really bummed when a 9 came on the turn. I think I have 60% against his oesd + top pair draw
 
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The preflop squeeze is a play that I haven't spent much time learning about.
Don't think of it as a "play" here. You have a hand that's so far ahead of their ranges that your raise is for value.

Just don't get married to it if you whiff the flop.


Villain had...
Silly me for assigning him too strong a range, then. :p

Still, even against the stronger range, you could get it in. This just makes it better. You "won".
 
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Don't think of it as a "play" here. You have a hand that's so far ahead of their ranges that your raise is for value.

Just don't get married to it if you whiff the flop.
makes sense.
i'd like to think im pretty good at tossing hands when i miss the flop, as my previous strategy has been to play marginal hands and toss them when they miss


Silly me for assigning him too strong a range, then. :p

Still, even against the stronger range, you could get it in. This just makes it better. You "won".

"now all you gotta do is fade the river" - the micros
 
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I felt like UTG would have 4bet if I 3bet. which I suppose I would have him beat most of the time here. but i think at the time, I was thinking I'd rather see a cheap flop than get raised (which is probably wrong)

Possibly, but the with a hand like this, playing AQ oop isn't the best idea. AQ/AK kinda hands play better against less people. Someone could call 2bb with A6s and hit an A36 board. Point is to charge players who want to play hands worse than yours rather than giving them the odds.
 
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Yup, SQZ pre, stackoff flop. Im not a huge fan of doing that in multyway pots but i feel like its okish, CO could be ahead here often tho

Sizing is a funny thing too, you might think that you pricing draws with huge bets but you also might fold draws and isolate his range to only the part that beats you, in this hand sizing is OKish, when CO shoves you have no other choice than to call but as i already said he can be ahead easy here, i was also thinking that shove would be better and would look weaker than huge value bet, might also go that way (considering that you as played, called pre and checked flop, if you 3betted and got called, cbet flop for value, if got cold 4bet by BB fold if got 4bet by UTG stackoff)

i think that SQZ was originally name for a 3bet bluff against pfr and a caller, nowdays it is a name for all 3bets against pfr+call
 
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Yup, SQZ pre, stackoff flop. Im not a huge fan of doing that in multyway pots but i feel like its okish, CO could be ahead here often tho

Sizing is a funny thing too, you might think that you pricing draws with huge bets but you also might fold draws and isolate his range to only the part that beats you, in this hand sizing is OKish, when CO shoves you have no other choice than to call but as i already said he can be ahead easy here, i was also thinking that shove would be better and would look weaker than huge value bet, might also go that way (considering that you as played, called pre and checked flop, if you 3betted and got called, cbet flop for value, if got cold 4bet by BB fold if got 4bet by UTG stackoff)

i think that SQZ was originally name for a 3bet bluff against pfr and a caller, nowdays it is a name for all 3bets against pfr+call

Nice perspective. I think you're right that I might as well have shoved on the flop since villain would be making a mistake to call and has to fold or shove
 
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I'm for squeezing pre also. We will take it down often and we will also go heads-up often versus weak hand ranges the way this table is playing. Post this is probably fine. CO seems to be strong here but we're not folding once we get this far.
 
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if villain maniac it means pretty wide range, so generally we wait for some enough strong hand and just shove it - it's works on most cases vs dumb players, nothing changed, but you played absolutely correct.
 
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i plugged their ranges into a equity calculator and got 54% for me against their ranges with the 4 other players included (which improved when it was reduced to just villain, although I dont know how to modify his range when he 3 bets the flop... especially since i have such a small sample of hands on bovada)

I felt like UTG would have 4bet if I 3bet. which I suppose I would have him beat most of the time here. but i think at the time, I was thinking I'd rather see a cheap flop than get raised (which is probably wrong)

If he is a maniac feel free stacking off 100bbs with AQ to him, yes you should of 3bet here, while it is a squeeze it is definitely a value oriented one, with the main opener opening so many worse hands. I'm just saying mainly you shouldn't be to worried about getting 4 bet here, unless you have been 3 betting him a lot.
 
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3bet pre to like 12bb.

From the way it's played I feel like you're beat most of the time. Too many players in the hand I'd be surprised if they're calling with worse. Then again seems to be a lot of fish.
I agree, there is no point to call with AQ it’s not a drawing hand. Heads up I like the flop play more, but multiway the move is break even at the best. Also 12bb should be minimum 3bet size.

Also AQ is good enough hand to go broke pre vs. UTG.
 
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